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You need to quantify that disadvantage in terms of sales, otherwise it's pure speculation. My guess you will still find the Mustang sells way more V6 and EB variants over base GTs, and the Challenger obviously doesn't sell as well as the Camaro. So if there is any disadvantage, it's the packaging of the Camaro LT cars that's probably more of a disadvantage compared to the Mustang. Not the lack of a cheap V8 which there is no proof I've seen, actually is a major factor in sales. Most people looking for a cheap pony car aren't looking for a V8 because they already think or can't afford V8 mileage and insurance costs. Just my opinion.
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When the Z/28 comes out it will more then likely be close to 83K not 100k with that said it's not for all people, like all cars out there you have an entry level Camaro with a 2.0T at under 26k from there you have models that are out to 50k, then we will have 3 more models that are pure performance cars, and there price will be more then most of the line, but at whatever price they will be it will be 1/2 of any car in its class.
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69 ZL1 was pretty far out of my reach.
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I wish people would stop whining about people that whine.
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You might want to check this out. Camaro sales have been mainly flat from the beginning. It hasn't out sold the Mustang since way back in 2014. Last edited by motorhead; 05-23-2016 at 05:53 AM. |
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That is a somewhat valid point but what something sells for and what it's really worth are two different things. Speculation and people in the 1st paragraph of that post influence price, not value/worth.
Here's what I think about "the market" "A bubble is a type of investing phenomenon that demonstrates the frailty of some facets of human emotion. A bubble occurs when investors put so much demand on a stock that they drive the price beyond any accurate or rational reflection of its actual worth, which should be determined by the performance of the underlying company. Like the soap bubbles a child likes to blow, investing bubbles often appear as though they will rise forever, but since they are not formed from anything substantial, they eventually pop. And when they do, the money that was invested into them dissipates into the wind."
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This^ The way I look at it is eventually, the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger is going to hit a price wall. It can be one of the best performance cars in the world, but its still a Chevy Camaro/Ford Mustang/Dodge Challenger. There is going to be a price point where people just say no. Like Thor said, there was still 2015 Z/28s sitting on dealer lots, with the the 20% savings on them. Now yes, this really only applies to the halo models, the ones that offer insane performance so it really doesn't apply to sales, so I guess it doesn't matter what I think lol. But is there really a market for an 80K Camaro/Mustang/Challenger? |
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How big is the market for $60K+ sport coupes and of that, how big is the subset for stripped, track focused car with little creature comforts?
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