[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Bob77

Thanks for commenting but I don't understand you 100%. Alright- so you've owned a few Camaros, the SS and ZL1. What do you advise? Buy the SS now or wait for the monster ZL1? I'm guessing with a 2016 SS, a few tasteful low key mods like headers and I can be around 500 HP? Thanks for your help. I'm leaning towards the SS. I really like the 2016 gray and blue SS. Thanks again folks.

Several people get it in their heads that they can do better than the ZL1 for less by buying a SS or 1LE and slapping aftermarket parts on to exceed 640hp. You're still missing a LOT of the car by doing this (like the suspension)...so Fraxum is saying that you can't "build a ZL1" with an SS and aftermarket parts for less than the MSRP of a ZL1 from the factory.

[Bob77]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Several people get it in their heads that they can do better than the ZL1 for less by buying a SS or 1LE and slapping aftermarket parts on to exceed 640hp. You're still missing a LOT of the car by doing this (like the suspension)...so Fraxum is saying that you can't "build a ZL1" with an SS and aftermarket parts for less than the MSRP of a ZL1 from the factory.

Gotcha -- Thanks.

Will the 2017 ZL1 come in hyper-blue like this year's SS?

I'm leaning towards a blue or gray 16' 2SS.

Not sure if I need 640 HP (17' ZL1), especially in this current society where video cameras are on every corner and the Police seem stressed out and angry all the time.

[OldJedi]

Mr. Wyndham and others are 100% correct, a ZL1 equivilent cannot be built with aftermarket or over the counter parts for the original price of a stock ZL1. Mr. Wyndham has owned a ZL1 and I still have mine and a 2015 Corvette. The LT1 in the Vette is plenty fast, just as quick as the ZL1 accept the LT1 gets double the gas milage. Go drive a SS first then decide if you really "need" more power.

[Modshack]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

. Go drive a SS first then decide if you really "need" more power.

Yeah...Too many guys here chase HP numbers like it's the holy grail. It costs a lot of money to bump that number with a relatively small bump in performance.
Go drive one. 455 HP of today is nothing like 455 of yesteryear..

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

Thats a complicated question now, it depends on what you want

2017 ZL1 -- Hi-po Grand Touring
2017 2SS -- Less Hi-Po Grand Touring
2017 1LE/1SS -- Track rat Camaro with some upscale interior elements/tech
2017 1SS -- Less Hi-Po with less technology
2017 2LT/RS -- "low" performance with upscale interior (v6 or T4, personal choice, each has its benefits)
2017 1LT/RS -- "low" performance with nice exterior, and its a Camaro
2017 2LT -- its a Camaro with some nice tech bits
2017 1LT -- its a Camaro
2018(?) Z/28(?) -- (likely) ultimate Camaro track monster
2017 CoPo -- Fast in a straight line, not road legal

Feel free to correct me if Im wrong

I think you're pretty close. Camaro team has solidified what these models are now, after a generation and a little bit. Everyone interprets differently...and I'd like to offer my perspective, for what it's worth.

1LT - Entry-level Camaro. Choice of V6 or Turbo 4. Very sporty. "basic" interior kit, cloth.
2LT - Same as above. Except "loaded" interior kit, leather.

1SS - High-performance Camaro. V8 engine Competes favorably with vehicles like the M4. "basic" interior kit.
2SS - Same as above, "loaded" interior kit.

ZL1 - This is the best all-around Camaro, that is the ultimate balance of power, acceleration, handling, track capability, and comfort. Delivers performance metrics in the supercar category.

1LE - Essentially the handling equipment from the ZL1, applied to a 1SS model. For SS buyers that frequent the road course.

Z/28 - "Race car" variant of the Camaro. Ridiculous handling, ridiculous grip, "stripped" interior kit. Intended only to excel at the road course. Competes with cars like the Porsche 911 GT3.

COPO - Drag variant of Camaro. limited production, not street-legal. multiple engine options.

Originally Posted by Bob77

Will the 2017 ZL1 come in hyper-blue like this year's SS?

Yes, it will be available in all Camaro colors.

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Mr. Wyndham and others are 100% correct, a ZL1 equivilent cannot be built with aftermarket or over the counter parts for the original price of a stock ZL1. Mr. Wyndham has owned a ZL1 and I still have mine and a 2015 Corvette. The LT1 in the Vette is plenty fast, just as quick as the ZL1 accept the LT1 gets double the gas milage. Go drive a SS first then decide if you really "need" more power.

Originally Posted by Modshack

Yeah...Too many guys here chase HP numbers like it's the holy grail. It costs a lot of money to bump that number with a relatively small bump in performance.
Go drive one. 455 HP of today is nothing like 455 of yesteryear..

I agree with this. There's an attraction for more power...but the SS is already stupid fast....if you think you might not want 640hp...or care to spend the money for it, then you probably shouldn't. Nothing worse than buyers remorse.

Plus, think of all the fun you can have with the money you save!

[OldJedi]

Mr. Wyndham, you are always at the top of your game. Looks and sounds good to me. Do you think there is a possibility of a 2SS - 1LE?

[Bob77]

Thanks Mr. Wyndham

Cool SS Review Vid:

[crabman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I think you're pretty close. Camaro team has solidified what these models are now, after a generation and a little bit. Everyone interprets differently...and I'd like to offer my perspective, for what it's worth.

1LE - Essentially the handling equipment from the ZL1, applied to a 1SS model...

...but not the 2SS because once again some dumbass executive within GM managed to overthink it and they are shooting themselves in the foot again instead of simply taking the money people are dying to throw at them.

I fixed that for ya.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by crabman

I fixed that for ya.

Certain "executives" you're referring to read these forums, and I'd rather that not accidentally get taken out of context for my own sake....so I adjusted your edit....

[crabman]

But now you've just further highlighted what an idiot he is by editing the post out of concern for his ability to keep up!

[Bob77]

Anyone else care to comment?