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Do you swap pads before and after events? If so are you rebedding the pads each time?
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One of the benefits to using a Hawk street and race pad is you do not need to sand/re-bed the rotor with the different pad. You can drive any Hawk compound over any other Hawk compound without worry. When I tried going from OEM to Carbotech and then back to OEM, I had to sand the glazed material off the rotor and then re-bed for street use.
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Have you ever tried Raybestos pads (ST43 or ST45) or better yet, had a chance to compare with them ? If not, it's well worth to give it a shot, IMO. Carbotech pads simply cannot keep up with the Raybestos pads when it comes to stopping power, resistance to brake fade, longevity and ability to use on the street due to operating temps Not so many makers (if any) post the actual friction values and operating temps Here's a link for more detail http://www.raybestosbrakes.com/magno...cing-pads.html
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All great info.
Although I have 2SS, I'm going to put on 6 piston calipers once I'm done with pads/rotors I have. I knew about the pad size being same as Z06/GS or ATS-V, but rotors for $377 at GMpartsguy.com is great info. When I'm ready to go with 6 piston, I know where I'm getting rotors from.
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I never took the Carbotechs off, just left them on for street as well, only minor noise at slow speed. And i was not kidding about the rotors glowing orange.....I have only ever seen a few people do it "properly", those who were lazy included my friend who was a Nascar star and team owner....Maybe I should give him a "crying towel".
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Of the Raybestos pads, my favorite is the ST-43, and overall I found it "tolerable" despite its hunger for disc wear. That said, I haven't run it in over a decade, the marketplace and the benchmark has moved onward. Now there are many better pads out there. There are so many Carbotech (now G-Loc) fans because they're actually that good.
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Something else to consider is literally all the track reviews do not complain about the brake pads, barring an off-hand comment by Randy Pobst without any further explanation.
The stock pads might actually be quite good. It'll be interesting to see how they benchmark against known good track pads like the Hawk DTC-70, G-Loc R18, Cobalt XR1, Wilwood A, and so forth. For those that are only doing a couple HPDE's a year, the stock SS 1LE pads might actually be acceptable. I'd at least try them out before buying something else.
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I had a chance to compare Carbotechs (XP12s) with ST43 (same car, same tire, same track with similar conditions) and immediately noticed that ST43s do a better job (as it did with my previous cars) except maybe the noise level (not a whole a lot but Carbotechs were less noisy I think). Please do share those "better" pads and how you define "better"?
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I think the takeaway here is there are different pads for different drivers. You like ST-43's, got it. From my not-too-frequent HPDE instructing, I've noticed that less experienced drivers tend to either under-use or over-use their brakes, and how they misapply their pedal leads them to prefer certain pads in terms of initial bite and modulation and overall mu. Everyone, regardless of skill level, has a preferred pedal effort level, and that's going to impact hydraulic ratios and even pedal ratio, though the latter is rarely adjustable. In any case, finding what pad *you* like is more important than trying to pitch your favorite pad to everyone else without knowing what they like. Not everyone has the luxury to try out 20 different compounds to find what fits their brake system and their personal preferences. This is why I'm recommending we give the stock pads the benefit of a doubt; they might not suck as much as some are assuming.
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I've just seen your 2nd post with the pads of your choice, while I was replying to your first message. I would never run those corrosive DTC 60 or DTC 70 on my cars but that's just me of course Quote:
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If you'll note, the pad you mention, the ST-43, has a 'hot (1200F) MU of .38. The DTC-70 is .85. That's the only quantifiable number in that document you posted. The rest is totally subjective 'ad-speak'. BTW - pretty much everyone posts the info you tout as only coming from Raybestos. http://www.tirerack.com/images/pdf/p...und-Charts.pdf Driving styles are different. I have personally used Hawk and Carbotech and think they are both great products. I am just trying to pass on info on what fits these cars when people begin to track them. If you like, we could start arguing about brake fluids next.
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