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For roughly 35 of it's 50 years of production the Mustang's bones were that of a sedan (The Falcon and Fairmont). The only years it wasnt based on a sedan were the Mustang II and S197 era, and the current S550.
So that argument isn't fair since both the Camaro and Mustang have always had sedan bones at some point in their lives, the Camaro being related to the Nova etc. The evolution of the Zeta platform is a good example of what Chevy can do when they're given no other choice. Ford pulled off a similar feat when they held onto the SRA until the 2015 MY, especially with the design of the Boss 302 which kicked the crap out of a lot of cars both on and off track. We really should thank Ford for that because if it wasn't for the Boss returning we wouldn't have gotten the 1LE or the Z/28. That being said I'm very curious how much of the advantage the 1LE had over the GTPP was due to having a much better tie, and more of it. |
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It's also fair to say it looks as if ford is chasing gm right now in handling. They are still trying to conquer the 5th gen let alone alpha.
And yes. The mustang has a performance built chassis made just for it. But right now it's having trouble with a retro fitted 3900 pound zeta from GM. Does that sound a little lopsided to anyone else? Whatever way you look at it GM engineering is no joke. BTW... I thought gm stated the upcoming ss was already surpassing the 1le. Not getting close to it. A 200 lb lighter MRC equipped 2016 ss should have no problem being quicker than a 1le. |
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When Alpha was conceived at GM the V8 power CTS-V and Camaro variants were part of the plan. A V8 wasn't an afterthought and the cooling and brakes are part of a clean sheet design. GM's success with the CTS-V, 1LE, Z/28 and ZL1 make speculation that the cars are under designed foolish IMO. I believe Camaro will follow Corvette. Available mag ride on the SS will be in the form of the 1LE package similar to adding the Z51 option to the Stingray. The C7 Z51 is nearly as fast as the C6 Z06. The gen6 1LE will be a force.
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Time will tell how the two cars do. Round one between the Zeta 1LE vs the S550 GT PP went to GM. It's reasonable to expect Aplha will be better and Chevy will have an answer for the GT350. It's the upcoming GT500 that should keep GM engineers awake at night.
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If GM offers a 1LE option for the 6th Gen, then it's direct competition will be the 2016 GT350, not the GT with PP. Again, to suggest that the Alpha platform is better than the S550 platform just because it is made by GM is ludicrous if you're approaching things from a purely objective viewpoint. |
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The GT350 is Ford's answer the the gen5 Z/28 and while I do believe the next 1LE will close the gap, I don't think it will be aimed at beating the GT350.
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The GT350R is the top-of-the-line track performer in the S550 Mustang lineup, just like the z/28 was for the Csmsro's 5thGen. The base GT350 will slot one step down from the GT350R and will go head-to-head with the MRC optioned SS, as there is unlikely to be any 1LE option for the 6thGen. Yes, Ford benchmarked the Boss 302 for the GT PP, but that does not mean the GT PP is a track-focused trim like the Boss was. Different cars and different platforms. Again, the comment being addressed is why do some people think the Alpha PLATFORM is inherently better than the S550? The only suggestion so far is because GM builds the Alpha and Ford builds the S550. |
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Because cars built off the Alpha chassis have beaten what was once considered to be the benchmark in handling and being a drivers car and now it's Cadillac that's considered the top of the class for handling and driving characteristics. So far the S550 has been bested by the last generation 1le.
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