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When that time comes, we can all get diesels and convert them to run on vegetable grease.
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In the coercive regulatory world, change is usually a bad thing. That the change is only happening because artificial outside agencies are forcing it is a good indication that it is change for the worse, because otherwise, the change would be naturally occurring on its own. Changing from a 330hp V6 to a 270hp turbo 4 that gets similar mileage, but is higher maintenance and costs more is not good change. It is getting less and paying more. Quote:
Please explain the reasoning behind this. If increasingly expensive mandates are being put on "the industry" that inevitably get passed on to the buyer, while continuously limiting the choice to the consumer (because most of us have finite money to spend on our cars...we can't all buy the ZL1), how are our choices not being limited? Just because your choices aren't being limited does not mean most of our's aren't.
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At what point does a hot rod become just too expensive for the average Joe? I guess I don't see exclusivity as a positive when it comes to a fun car. The only reason that the so-called dino fuel engines would no longer exist in our lifetimes is that someone regulated them out. Quote:
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02-15-2013, 12:47 PM | #257 |
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You guys crack me up ... If a car is out of your reach, who's fault is that ? I'm not rich by any means, but I stopped all my bad habits to pay for the toys I have. The only one keeping you from the things you want is YOU.
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Not at all, they were only limited the first year due to lack of production time. Currently you can find them just sitting on dealer lots.
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i'll say yes if it's twin turbo and 400horses. but even given a chance ,i would choose the V8 .
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02-15-2013, 02:25 PM | #262 |
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And if you stay on that ship, who's fault is it ? Once again the control is in your hands. All you have to do is find a service or product that is in need of others and provide it. Nobody said it would be easy, but you make your own limits. For myself if I want or need something, I just work a little harder and acquire it. It's not rocket science ...
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I genuinely do not understand this idea that it is no big deal for the government to raise the costs of everything, because you could just go out and make more. The resources of any economy or society at large are finite. It is certainly always possible to grow more, but still, what is available will always be finite. The more that is taken up by regulation and taxes, the less there is left over for those who are responsible for the generation of said resources to begin with. Regardless of how hard anyone works, and what his abilities and income are, all else being the same, when governments push expensive punitive regulations and taxes, what anyone is able to buy is always diminished. When the value of the fruit of one's labor is systematically diminished or effectively stolen, regardless of someone's ability to produce more fruit, it is a form of bondage, and at the very least, an affront to liberty.
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I really don't see where the government is raising the cost of everything. If a person wants to budget or limit themselves, than that's some of them. But to pass the buck so to speak, blaming all ones problems on an employer or government is just being lazy. We all have to live within rules and regulations, as adults we learn to deal with it and move on.
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I'm not sure where these arguments of extra cost are coming from. There is such a thing as inflation. In 1967 it cost $3,700 for a SS396 with the same performance as a LS today. Factoring in inflation, that $3,700 is $20,293.94 in today's dollars. So for the slight increase in price you get a much better stereo, A/C, better seats, better tires and wheels, lots of saftey features, the ability to sync with a cell phone, etc... If you really don't want all that stuff for a few extra bucks, then buy a 1967 Camaro. Oh wait, in your paranoid bubble world the Government is going to ban those right after the Grizzle Bear attacks our leaving your house.
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Fielder, you make excellent points and you do it well. But you'd have better luck talking to a brick wall. I've seen SlingShot discuss this before and I know what you're up against. His attitude is, "Ive got mine and I dont care if others cant afford it." It's selfish if you ask me.
That's always been the great thing about muscle/pony cars as Camaro-Dreamer said, they are affordable for the Average Joe. As we see more and more regulations and taxes aimed at performance cars, less and less middle class people will be able to afford them. Instead of them being the toys of Joe Sixpack, they will become the toys of the rich.
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