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View Poll Results: Do you want to see an automatic option for the ZL1? | |||
Yes | 1,312 | 66.30% | |
No | 667 | 33.70% | |
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02-25-2011, 06:06 PM | #253 | |
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You would be surprised how many people do not know the difference between transmissions, they see paddles... that's all... And since you mentioned an "F word" F430 and I quote Quote:
I'm afraid the auto Cayman is not faster than the SMG, it is slightly faster to 60mph than the regular manual but it is not faster around a track. Being that it is a $4000 dollar option, it better do something better. Since the shift times are 100ms in an SMG vs. 250-400ms in a DCA, I would say that the manual would end up being much faster. I'm not into paying 4k to be slower at the track, no thanks... you can keep your automatics.. I will take a DCT or an SMG though.. Last edited by thePill; 02-25-2011 at 07:50 PM. |
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(F word) F430 6-speed 'F1' electrohydraulic manual "F word" with an automatic Edit: I spelled out the F word... |
02-25-2011, 10:32 PM | #256 |
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02-26-2011, 10:55 PM | #257 | |
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The ratio of automatic to manual in sport cars is 19 to 1! From Road and Track magazine back a few years. So, you can argue till you cannot find anything else to say but for every one who buys a manual; 19 buy an automatic! I think most potential ZL1 buyers would prefer an automatic. They will not use it on the track; but drive it as their daily vehicles. There is no advantges that the manual offers over an automatic anymore. With today's computerized engines; automatics are faster and more fun to drive. Back 10 years ago or earlier; it was the manual that was maybe half a second faster a lap but now; the computerized automatic is much faster. Drive a stick in stop and go traffic and on steep road/streets is quite the task. All police cars are automatic as well as all emergency vehicles. I am willing to gamble that their would be more demand for an automatic then a manual for the ZL1! We will see how it plays out! I pulling for the automatic! |
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7.7% (1 in 12) of all cars sold in the US last year were manual. That includes ALL cars... pickups, SUVs, Minivans, Toyotas, and all other cars that would never even have a manual as an option. In the sports car realm, the percentage must be higher than your claimed 1 in 19, wouldn't you agree? Oh, and just for reference, in Europe, manual transmissions outnumber autos by 5 to 1. And of course, they don't have too many Pickups, SUVs and Minivans, but they do have sports cars. They actually like to drive, not just park and polish.
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I think if we were talking about the ZR1 Corvette, the no automatic argument would have merit. But really, the Camaro is not a sports car. It's a pony or muscle car that's better suited at the drag strip than a road course. Really, how many ZL1's are going to see any track time?
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02-27-2011, 12:52 PM | #262 | |
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Still...the fun-factor is there. And it's purely an opinion thing. I know a few people who love the jet-engine, constant-acceleration feeling of an high power automatic car. But I thought this conversation was about market demand for the option? The argument over which is "better" cannot be won, and doesn't really help the community represent whether or not there's a demand for an automatic transmission option. |
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02-27-2011, 01:13 PM | #263 | |
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Thanks for the reminder, this is getting a bit off track. It would also be great if only the people that could actually afford one and want to buy one would vote, but that is impossible :( |
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02-27-2011, 01:17 PM | #264 |
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I still believe that GM will sell every single ZL1 without an automatic option, It might not be quicker in the 1/4 but it will be more effective on a road course. A manual will also help with the gas guzzler tax and bring the tax down to $1300.
For every ZL1 sold, 19 unhappy people will go back to the minivan life... I'm happy that there are other countries that still love to drive, not holding them to a higher standard, but they truly love automobiles enough to say no to certain auto trends. Its only a matter of time before some Senator thinks that a stick shift is dangerous and mandates automatics to be mandatory.. after he invest in the Hydramatic/Livonia stock of course... Auto's are great for drag racing and high traffic city life, I'm just not sure the ZL1 will need one right off the bat... H pattern Manuals are very good deep into the 9's and are required by NHRA after that. You may be right, H pattern manuals will go the way of a solid rear axle.. Not intended for everyday life and limited to off road use only... "when god will they ever make a car that drives itself?, I grow tired of pushing the gas peddle and turning this wheel..." |
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If you are in the income range of affording this car, a $1300 gas guzzler tax isn't going to put you into the 'not buying it' category.
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02-27-2011, 01:30 PM | #266 |
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I agree, but it does help the ZL1 to remain competitive to the GT500. If you add the price of the automatic, which I think the 6L90 is only $1300 over the 6060, then the GG tax is $2600 for the 6L90 equipped CTS-V... It starts to tarnish the competitive edge. GM offers a manual at an affordable price and can offer a GMPP package like the GT500's SVT pack...
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