[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I have no idea what you're talking about. My comments to you this time around were the fact that you pretend that 760 hp isn't impressive, even though it is more powerful than the most powerful car GM ever produced which just came out in 2019. It's not like hp is this unlimited thing that can just be given out without regard to money and emissions. And...hp/liter is a thing. Car companies and magazines use it all the time when talking about the power an engine makes. I use it, my car friends talk about it at times.

It isn't impressive when the 18 Demon had 808 HP and 840 (R spec'd), then the 19 RE had 797 HP, then the 19 ZR1 pumped out 755 HP...now a year later Ford shows up late to the party with less than the RE and only 5 more than the ZR1. And for all we know, Ford just said "760" to eclipse the ZR1's numbers. So no it isn't impressive to me. The Demon wowed the world in 2018. Then the RE wowed the world with 797. Even the ZR1 turned heads with 755. Now after all that time of mid to high 700s the GT500 shows up after all the waiting and bullshit and we're supposed to be impressed. Sorry dude. Not happening. Maybe your friends over on your forum will clap with you. Go tell them and be happy over there.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Because it is IN it's 4th MY. What do you not understand about that? 2017 was ZL1's 1st MY for the 6th Gen. The GT500 was not present. 2018 was the 2nd MY for the 6th Gen ZL1. The GT500 was not present. 2019 is the 3rd MY for the 6th Gen ZL1. The GT500 is not present. 2020 the ZL1 will be IN it's 4th MY. That is 4, FOUR, MYs for the ZL1. The GT500 will be present. So the GT500 is here while the ZL1 is IN it's 4th MY. You are the only person here who is having a difficult time understanding that. Stop thinking Mustang math and start using real math.

Uh, yeah, obviously, the ZL1 will be in its 4th MY when the 1st MY of this Gen GT500 comes out. My point was it is 3 years after the ZL1. His post was trying to claim it was 4 MY, when in actuality, the ZL1 is 3 MYs ahead. The start of the 4th (ZL1) and the start of the 1st (GT500) = 3 years difference. Anyway, whatever.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You don’t like cars.com? Careful

Did you know cars.com has the 18 GT A10 press hero pass? ...and the Hellcat press hero pass. ...and the Redeye press hero pass.

Cars.com will also, likely, have the GT500 press hero pass.

FYI - Cars.com never ran the SS or ZL1

I have no problem with cars.com. They do test a little differently than C&D, MT, R&T, etc. They reduce tire pressure for improved traction and run on prepped dragstrips, I believe. The mags put the tire pressure at the manuf. recommended pressures and run on street type surfaces, from my recollection.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Uh, yeah, obviously, the ZL1 will be in its 4th MY when the 1st MY of this Gen GT500 comes out. My point was it is 3 years after the ZL1. His post was trying to claim it was 4 MY, when in actuality, the ZL1 is 3 MYs ahead. The start of the 4th (ZL1) and the start of the 1st (GT500) = 3 years difference. Anyway, whatever.

And that is what he said from the start. He said it was they had almost 4 MYs on the ZL1 which you did not understand. He then explained further and said the ZL1 debuted in 2017 and it will be 4 MYs when the GT500 is available which you still didn't understand. For the third time he explained it and broke down the actual years. You did not understand that. 13Vertss chimed in and explained it and you still did not understand it despite it being basic and simple as can be. I finally had enough of your inability to comprehend something simple and explained it to you and now you're repeating exactly what he said in the first place. So how is it that you are the only one here who had no comprehension of what was being said? And now it's "anyway, whatever"...SMH.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Uh, yeah, obviously, the ZL1 will be in its 4th MY when the 1st MY of this Gen GT500 comes out. My point was it is 3 years after the ZL1. His post was trying to claim it was 4 MY, when in actuality, the ZL1 is 3 MYs ahead. The start of the 4th (ZL1) and the start of the 1st (GT500) = 3 years difference. Anyway, whatever.

Actually, I said ALMOST 4 years....Because it is almost 4 years...

More to the point, the GT500 will go on sale probably just a couple months before the 4th MY for the ZL1 releases...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I have no problem with cars.com. They do test a little differently than C&D, MT, R&T, etc. They reduce tire pressure for improved traction and run on prepped dragstrips, I believe. The mags put the tire pressure at the manuf. recommended pressures and run on street type surfaces, from my recollection.

Yet isn't that what your beloved Evans did when he ran his infamous 11.8? And wasn't Cars.com the go to when they did their miracle GT run? Now all of a sudden you call them into question? The more you talk the more you sink...but go ahead and keep talking.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yet isn't that what your beloved Evans did when he ran his infamous 11.8? And wasn't Cars.com the go to when they did their miracle GT run? Now all of a sudden you call them into question? The more you talk the more you sink...but go ahead and keep talking.

I didn't call them into question. I just stated what they openly state in their articles, that they reduce tire pressure to increase traction.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And that is what he said from the start. He said it was they had almost 4 MYs on the ZL1 which you did not understand. He then explained further and said the ZL1 debuted in 2017 and it will be 4 MYs when the GT500 is available which you still didn't understand. For the third time he explained it and broke down the actual years. You did not understand that. 13Vertss chimed in and explained it and you still did not understand it despite it being basic and simple as can be. I finally had enough of your inability to comprehend something simple and explained it to you and now you're repeating exactly what he said in the first place. So how is it that you are the only one here who had no comprehension of what was being said? And now it's "anyway, whatever"...SMH.

I was talking about years ahead. The fact remains that the ZL1 is 3 years ahead of the GT500. They have 3 model years ahead of the GT500. First MY is months 0-12, 2nd is 12-24, 3rd is 24-36, 4th is 36-48, approximately. It's been about 2.5 years since the ZL1 debuted (currently halfway through the 3rd MY). I'm saying whatever because it doesn't matter anymore to me at this point. This whole argument and topic is pointless, so this is it on my end for this subject.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I was talking about years ahead. The fact remains that the ZL1 is 3 years ahead of the GT500. They have 3 model years ahead of the GT500. First MY is months 0-12, 2nd is 12-24, 3rd is 24-36, 4th is 36-48, approximately. It's been about 2.5 years since the ZL1 debuted (currently halfway through the 3rd MY). I'm saying whatever because it doesn't matter anymore to me at this point. This whole argument and topic is pointless, so this is it on my end for this subject.

Nobody asked you or questioned what YOU were talking about. Whatever you're talking about was irrelevant. You called into question what DR said and refused to understand it until it was spelled out for you in the simplest terms. The GT500 will be available in the ZL1's 4th MY. No matter how you try to math it out, 2020 is still the 4th MY for the ZL1. Which means that at this point, the GT500 had almost 4 MYs like DR said.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Which means that at this point, the GT500 had almost 4 MYs like DR said.

No, it means it had 3 model years.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

No, it means it had 3 model years.

Go back and re-read it. I'm not spelling it out for either of you again. If you guys can't do basic math or comprehend a simple statement then that's your problem. And for the record, you two are the only people struggling with it. That says a lot.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Go back and re-read it. I'm not spelling it out for either of you again. If you guys can't do basic math or comprehend a simple statement then that's your problem. And for the record, you two are the only people struggling with it. That says a lot.

I don’t need to re-read anything, your statement was inaccurate. If your gonna to grand stand to Idaho at least get your facts straight.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

I don’t need to re-read anything, your statement was inaccurate. If your gonna to grand stand to Idaho at least get your facts straight.

You done?

[Deki]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Refer to your criticism of me...and now, just a few hours later you're doing the exact same thing. If you're gonna criticize me about doing or saying something, then make sure you're not doing and saying the same thing.

Now that that's been said...

GM took a 1 year break from the ZL1 which technically they didn't need to. They probably didn't want ZL1 sales to inhibit SS sales. But nonetheless, the ZL1 was gone for 1 year, 2016. However there was none of this waiting bullshit like Ford put on. We knew it was getting the LT4. It was just a matter of if the output would be 630, 640, or 650 like the Z06. And then they announced it and the MSRP and it went out to dealerships. Ford sat around for well over 5 years making people wait. Playing dumb games like leaking pics of a blower and brakes with someone's hand next to it. Then they had to push it back from 2019 to 2020. Then they made people wait over 6 months to announce the HP. Then the day before they did that they made some stupid comment about "more HP per..." which to me was them trying to mitigate any disappointment that it would not be as high as one would expect from them making everyone wait this long. And after all that, still no MSRP. This is like being in highschool and dating the chick who ain't even all that good looking to begin with but wants to make you wait an eternity and plays all these stupid games before she finally gives it up and it turns out to not even be what you thought it would be. LOL!!

It won't be an all-around performer like the ZL1 because it's price is going to put it well above the performance value. And then there will be markups. Which will put it out of reach of the ones who will be bragging about it. It will likely be priced like the Redeye where the stripped down base model will be low $70K but then every little option will add an extra $2K or more and inflate the price to where even a moderately optioned version will be somewhere in the high $80K to mid $90K range. Similarly optioned against a fully loaded ZL1 and that thing is gonna be priced sky high whereas the ZL1 will still be under $70K. So will the price be worth it? Doubt it.

You and I my friend, think alike in a lot of ways. And with price and ADM, unless you really want a Mustang because you're a Ford guy, I see no reason to get this over a Z06 with its MSRP, or a ZR1 with the ADM. The part in bold, I said the exact same thing a few days ago.