[wakespeak]

Applaud Ford for the Dark Horse. Really interesting car and awesome for street use.

But for the few people that actually track their cars with any consistency..the TR3160 and the fact its 200 lbs heavier than the ZL1 1LE makes it DOA for track use IMO. Ever since a friend with a GT350 broke everything on the track (even the alternator) I have been second guessing Ford's sincerity. The TR3160 was limited to V6 engines by GM and at 4k lbs the Dark Horse won't be competitive with 500hp these days.

By a used 1LE and spend 30K on it.

[crysalis_01]

Just about time to see if the GTD can actually run around the Nordschleife in the same league as the 993 GT3RS or AMG GT Black it was allegedly aiming for.

2025 FORD MUSTANG GTD STARTS TESTING AT FAMOUS TRACK: VIDEO

https://fordauthority.com/2024/06/2025-ford-mustang-gtd-starts-testing-at-famous-track-video/



The 2025 Ford Mustang GTD is a lean, mean, high-winged machine that’s as track-ready as a street-legal pony car can get. It was expected to hit the pavement and start turning laps at the Nürburgring this summer, but the high-performance pony car has already been spotted pacing the famous racetrack.

[arpad_m]

At least Ford is still making these cars.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

At least Ford is still making these cars.

Thats a fair comment. Ford wins. Again.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Just about time to see if the GTD can actually run around the Nordschleife in the same league as the 993 GT3RS or AMG GT Black it was allegedly aiming for.

2025 FORD MUSTANG GTD STARTS TESTING AT FAMOUS TRACK: VIDEO

https://fordauthority.com/2024/06/2025-ford-mustang-gtd-starts-testing-at-famous-track-video/



The 2025 Ford Mustang GTD is a lean, mean, high-winged machine that’s as track-ready as a street-legal pony car can get. It was expected to hit the pavement and start turning laps at the Nürburgring this summer, but the high-performance pony car has already been spotted pacing the famous racetrack.

I wasn’t excited about the GTD because 1) driving a race car on the road sucks 2) the price tag makes it unobtainable for me but holy crap does it sound good. I don’t even like the way coyote based engines sound but that one (and the predator) sound pretty dang good. Can’t wait to see these hit the road. Sucks the Camaro died. I feel like Chevy would have made some type of $300k competitor for it.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I wasn’t excited about the GTD because 1) driving a race car on the road sucks 2) the price tag makes it unobtainable for me but holy crap does it sound good. I don’t even like the way coyote based engines sound but that one (and the predator) sound pretty dang good. Can’t wait to see these hit the road. Sucks the Camaro died. I feel like Chevy would have made some type of $300k competitor for it.

Well, first let's see if it even beats the 2018 ZL1 1LE's time 7 years later with the Camaro already discontinued

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Well, first let's see if it even beats the 2018 ZL1 1LE's time 7 years later with the Camaro already discontinued

Considering the GT500 already does I don’t see how there’s anyway the GTD won’t. The spec sheet is unreal on this car. Ford gave it an actual transaxle. I was stunned they made that type of investment for a very low production Mustang but I guess when you charge 300k for it you’ll recoup the costs.

[crazedmodder]

I'm sorry, I love my Camaro, I love all Camaros, but... The GTD is just one of the coolest cars (IMO). Even if it doesn't beat the Porsche GT3 on the Nurburgring, to me it's still cooler than a Porsche GT3. If it beats the Porsche GT3 it will be even better though (just to puncture some of the euro-snobs that call themselves car enthusiasts).

I love these kinds of skunksworks-ish cars that are outside the realm of what the respective companies normally build like the GR Yaris, VW Phaeton, Renault Clio (mid-engined), Lexus LFA, Acura NSX, and Dodge Viper. Give us more please!

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I wasn’t excited about the GTD because 1) driving a race car on the road sucks 2) the price tag makes it unobtainable for me but holy crap does it sound good. I don’t even like the way coyote based engines sound but that one (and the predator) sound pretty dang good. Can’t wait to see these hit the road. Sucks the Camaro died. I feel like Chevy would have made some type of $300k competitor for it.

I do not think we would have seen a Camaro competitor to this sadly. There are a lot of reasons but I think the biggest reason would be the existence of the Corvette. GM seems to be going all in with the Corvette (so many power train options!) and I am happy to see it, but I think it would have limited the possible growth of the Camaro.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Considering the GT500 already does I don’t see how there’s anyway the GTD won’t. The spec sheet is unreal on this car. Ford gave it an actual transaxle. I was stunned they made that type of investment for a very low production Mustang but I guess when you charge 300k for it you’ll recoup the costs.

I have not found any evidence of a confirmed GT500 lap time, so unless you have any, we don't know that.

Of course, the GTD is very likely to be faster than the ZL1 1LE (heck, even a Corvette Z06 was), all I'm saying is let's see if it does live up to the expectations.

[FH212]

Buying an 810hp S650 Mustang for $49,995 is pretty damn tempting. I know its a base model but still. Someone please explain to me how the hell they are getting that much power out of that engine and if I slap a Magnuson 2650 or Whipple on my SS 1LE I will barely get like 100-120 rwhp? Man that's crazy.
https://www.lebanonfordperformance.c...ang-for-49995/

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by FH212

Buying an 810hp S650 Mustang for $49,995 is pretty damn tempting. I know its a base model but still. Someone please explain to me how the hell they are getting that much power out of that engine and if I slap a Magnuson 2650 or Whipple on my SS 1LE I will barely get like 100-120 rwhp? Man that's crazy.
https://www.lebanonfordperformance.c...ang-for-49995/

The piston ring end gaps I believe are the biggest issues with the LT1 bottom end. After that it’s the fueling that limits us. The rods are also sinister forged in the gen 2+ coyote. After I’m done tracking my 1le I’m probably going to wind up in a Mustang because of this exact point you brought up. This platform just isn’t that cost effective for making big power and I want a big power car one day in my life.

[FH212]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

The piston ring end gaps I believe are the biggest issues with the LT1 bottom end. After that it’s the fueling that limits us. The rods are also sinister forged in the gen 2+ coyote. After I’m done tracking my 1le I’m probably going to wind up in a Mustang because of this exact point you brought up. This platform just isn’t that cost effective for making big power and I want a big power car one day in my life.

I have been watching some You Tube videos of some Mustang guys running high 9 seconds in the 1/4 mile with just the Whipple and a drag pack. That's pretty bad ass. Waiting to see if any of these guys have issues with the engine.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by FH212

I have been watching some You Tube videos of some Mustang guys running high 9 seconds in the 1/4 mile with just the Whipple and a drag pack. That's pretty bad ass. Waiting to see if any of these guys have issues with the engine.

Same. I’m confident in the gen iv coyote. It’s not that different versus the Gen 3 and the Gen 3 has been very stout. I would just consider doing the oil pump gears in one if you do end up in one or just don’t bang off the rev limiter as that’s the main issue with them.