[Dustya]

I had the GM air intake other then noise it did nothing.. was one of the first to get it installed the cost and pain in the ass finding a dealer to flash was not worth it get an aftermarket that wont throw a code and if you have an issue put your stock back on.. They will never decline a claim for something like torque converter over a air intake. I DO NOT advice the purchase of the GM performance intake. If you really want one ill sell you mine.... its sitting in a box in my garage

[bishopski]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

The whole warranty thing is a scare tactic they use to keep you from buying aftermarket. Something they have been trying to make illegal through legislation for years.

They have to prove that the item you modified caused whatever damage they are saying it caused to void having repairing that thing covered by warranty. They then deploy tactics aimed at exploiting your ignorance to convince you to not pursue it when they try and say it's not covered because they see you changed something.

Its bs. Rolling over is what they want you to do and buy their parts and only their parts and installed and serviced in only their dealerships. All anti consumer nonsense.

Wrong again. They (the dealer )voids the warranty. Then its up to you and your lawyers to prove otherwise. These things are all noise and very little if any true gains. Youtube is full of people who have warranties voided for CAI. Two or three famous Hellcats which are really easy to find. I dealt with it years back on an Acura GSR. The dealer says void and then you are left without or lawyer up at $2000+/hr. No worries, you should be good in 20 - 30 billable hours with a good lawyer. Makes that 1-3% gain taste good huh?

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by bishopski

Wrong again. They (the dealer )voids the warranty. Then its up to you and your lawyers to prove otherwise. These things are all noise and very little if any true gains. Youtube is full of people who have warranties voided for CAI. Two or three famous Hellcats which are really easy to find. I dealt with it years back on an Acura GSR. The dealer says void and then you are left without or lawyer up at $2000+/hr. No worries, you should be good in 20 - 30 billable hours with a good lawyer. Makes that 1-3% gain taste good huh?

There is no "warranty" that encompasses the car. Every part covered has it's own warranty. A dealer can tell you it's "voided" but that has no legal weight. They report to GM what they found and GM can decide if or if not it's covered and to void warranty work and they'll make a note in your service records so that future service work can reference the issue and decline or accept future service issues. Even that however is just their choice. They wont make it lightly (the dealer may make such decisions without caring because the worst that can happen to them is they're told to do it by GM). But you can still fight it if it's worth it to you and you know you're correct.

At that point it's far less about your individual issue and more about ensuring that companies like GM aren't declining warranty work illegally across the board. They are not legally allowed to void warranty work unless you modified something and it's proven to be the cause of the failure.

Whether that principle is something that is worth your time or not is up to you. But the whole marketing campaign about how only 1 kind of "after market" is ok for your warranty is retarded anti-consumer drivel. Next thing is "your warranty is void if you dont use GM's oil and GM's filters and GM's tools to install them". That's exactly the mentality they want to instill in the public.

edit: basically the only thing this intake doesn't void that any other may is if something in the intake failed and that lead to motor damage. Like if the filter somehow got punctured and something made it's way into the engine. That repair work would not be covered under warranty with any other intake. If maybe an intake allowed the engine to run too lean and this caused damage to spark plugs or sensors. That repair work would not be covered with other intakes. But this idea that it somehow voids the entire powertrain warranty is not legally binding and you'd be a fool to take a dealer's word that it does.

[SomeGeoffGuy]

What your typing is how it should be, but it is not the reality. If a dealer voids your warranty, it will show up on every carfax, carfox, and dealer search for as long as the car exists. If you mod, just be prepared to pay the price. If you want to mod your car, that is the risk you take.

-Geoff

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by Lukemo

Got mine installed finally! While not a huge difference, it is most definitely a noticeable one.

Throttle is more lively and the car feels a little stronger all over, especially on the freeway. I'm happy with it!

After this mornings drive to work, i def agree.

Just got the gm recalibration done today, installed it last night. Def a welcome addition.

Also in comparison to my afe intake, which doesnt throw codes, the fuel trims in long term stay more around 0-3% added on avg.

The afe makes power, but i noticed the LT fuel trims stayed in the 8-11% range at idle .

This just means the gm recalibration dials it in. Stays anlt near stock ranges with the stock intake. With the afe, the stock computer keeps codes from being thrown by richening the lt fuel trims. Not a bad thing, but eventually you can max en out and require tuning the more mods you add.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by bishopski

Wrong again. They (the dealer )voids the warranty. Then its up to you and your lawyers to prove otherwise. These things are all noise and very little if any true gains. Youtube is full of people who have warranties voided for CAI. Two or three famous Hellcats which are really easy to find. I dealt with it years back on an Acura GSR. The dealer says void and then you are left without or lawyer up at $2000+/hr. No worries, you should be good in 20 - 30 billable hours with a good lawyer. Makes that 1-3% gain taste good huh?

&

Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

What your typing is how it should be, but it is not the reality. If a dealer voids your warranty, it will show up on every carfax, carfox, and dealer search for as long as the car exists. If you mod, just be prepared to pay the price. If you want to mod your car, that is the risk you take.

-Geoff

This is full of mis-information...

Okay, for starters - THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a voided warranty on a car. EVEN IF MODIFIED, it simply put DOES NOT EXIST.

Your warranty, Actually, the warranty on ANY vehicle CANNOT be voided under ANY circumstance, EVEN IF the vehicle is modified. In essence, Lets say you have an exhaust system, and about 3 months after installing it, your Control Arm fails... they cannot say "you have an exhaust system so we refuse to perform any additional warranty services to your vehicle" especially to parts that are not related, such as your suspension, your electronics, ect. That would be highly illegal.

What they CAN do is refuse to cover any part that is damaged that may be RELATED to the aftermarket part, but they would still have to prove that the failure INCURRED because of the aftermarket part....
-- THIS DOES NOT MEAN HOWEVER THAT THE WARRANTY IS VOID --
This means that the failed part will not be covered IF and ONLY IF it can be PROVEN that the additional aftermarket part caused the problem. Does that mean the warranty is void? No, the rest of the car's parts are still obliged to be covered, you cannot void a vehicle's warranty.

9 of 10 dealers are cookie shops, they don't investigate, they just want you in and out and a paycheck. The real deciding goes to GM, so if the dealer gives you flak, take it to corporate. Neither of them can actually VOID your warranty... ESPECIALLY a dealer... serious investigation would have to incur before anything of that nature would incur.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

&


This is full of mis-information...

Okay, for starters - THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a voided warranty on a car. EVEN IF MODIFIED, it simply put DOES NOT EXIST.

Your warranty, Actually, the warranty on ANY vehicle CANNOT be voided under ANY circumstance, EVEN IF the vehicle is modified. In essence, Lets say you have an exhaust system, and about 3 months after installing it, your Control Arm fails... they cannot say "you have an exhaust system so we refuse to perform any additional warranty services to your vehicle" especially to parts that are not related, such as your suspension, your electronics, ect. That would be highly illegal.

What they CAN do is refuse to cover any part that is damaged that may be RELATED to the aftermarket part, but they would still have to prove that the failure INCURRED because of the aftermarket part....
-- THIS DOES NOT MEAN HOWEVER THAT THE WARRANTY IS VOID --
This means that the failed part will not be covered IF and ONLY IF it can be PROVEN that the additional aftermarket part caused the problem. Does that mean the warranty is void? No, the rest of the car's parts are still obliged to be covered, you cannot void a vehicle's warranty.

9 of 10 dealers are cookie shops, they don't investigate, they just want you in and out and a paycheck. The real deciding goes to GM, so if the dealer gives you flak, take it to corporate. Neither of them can actually VOID your warranty... ESPECIALLY a dealer... serious investigation would have to incur before anything of that nature would incur.

Once little caveat...a recalibrated computer that was not GM's doing can, and will cause them to void your powertrain warranty. They'll put a block on it in the computers so you can't travel around.

We've seen this before. And unless you're willing to spend big $$ to litigate...decision is almost automatic, and final.

[almerino10]

Hi, i am a little bit new on this camaro world, so i need a little help.

I purchase the GM air intake from thatgmpartsguy.com, i live in Mexico, so my error was to not check if GM dealers will do the install (Tune), i just assumed they will, it turns out they can't.

So, i had to put the stock intake again, and i am not really sure what options do i have.

I have a friend that owns a mechanics workshop, and he told me to put the CAI back and as soon as the engine light is on to take the car to him and he can check the code that is throwing and recalibrate that, but i am wonder if that will work, i mean, i am not sure it the Tune the GM CAI comes with only modify a single parameter or if i will loose some other calibrations from the tune, any ideas?

If the above doesn't work, does anyone knows what else can i do? I checked a trifecta calibration update, not sure how that works, but they say they can include a tune for the GM CAI, but of course is too expensive. Anyone know about something similar?

Thanks a lot!
Luis

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by almerino10

Hi, i am a little bit new on this camaro world, so i need a little help.

I purchase the GM air intake from thatgmpartsguy.com, i live in Mexico, so my error was to not check if GM dealers will do the install (Tune), i just assumed they will, it turns out they can't.

So, i had to put the stock intake again, and i am not really sure what options do i have.

I have a friend that owns a mechanics workshop, and he told me to put the CAI back and as soon as the engine light is on to take the car to him and he can check the code that is throwing and recalibrate that, but i am wonder if that will work, i mean, i am not sure it the Tune the GM CAI comes with only modify a single parameter or if i will loose some other calibrations from the tune, any ideas?

If the above doesn't work, does anyone knows what else can i do? I checked a trifecta calibration update, not sure how that works, but they say they can include a tune for the GM CAI, but of course is too expensive. Anyone know about something similar?

Thanks a lot!
Luis

you can keep the intake, and have trifecta, or overkill do a tune for it. its worth having.

also local shops that have hptuners should be able to do a dyno tune for you as well.

[almerino10]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

you can keep the intake, and have trifecta, or overkill do a tune for it. its worth having.

also local shops that have hptuners should be able to do a dyno tune for you as well.

Thanks i will check.

[Billabongi]

What do you guys show to make sure the dealer charges GM for the tune and not you? I just picked up the intake and there's nothing in the instructions stating that the tune is charged to GM and not me so I expect to have to explain this somehow to them when I take it in. Also what kind of prices have you guys been charged for the dealer to do the install only? I fully intended to do the install and only bring it in for the tune but some idiot hit me last week so the car is going to be there at the body shop anyway.

[Wildhammer]

[SomeGeoffGuy]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

&


This is full of mis-information...

Okay, for starters - THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a voided warranty on a car. EVEN IF MODIFIED, it simply put DOES NOT EXIST.

Your warranty, Actually, the warranty on ANY vehicle CANNOT be voided under ANY circumstance, EVEN IF the vehicle is modified. In essence, Lets say you have an exhaust system, and about 3 months after installing it, your Control Arm fails... they cannot say "you have an exhaust system so we refuse to perform any additional warranty services to your vehicle" especially to parts that are not related, such as your suspension, your electronics, ect. That would be highly illegal.

What they CAN do is refuse to cover any part that is damaged that may be RELATED to the aftermarket part, but they would still have to prove that the failure INCURRED because of the aftermarket part....
-- THIS DOES NOT MEAN HOWEVER THAT THE WARRANTY IS VOID --
This means that the failed part will not be covered IF and ONLY IF it can be PROVEN that the additional aftermarket part caused the problem. Does that mean the warranty is void? No, the rest of the car's parts are still obliged to be covered, you cannot void a vehicle's warranty.

9 of 10 dealers are cookie shops, they don't investigate, they just want you in and out and a paycheck. The real deciding goes to GM, so if the dealer gives you flak, take it to corporate. Neither of them can actually VOID your warranty... ESPECIALLY a dealer... serious investigation would have to incur before anything of that nature would incur.

Next time you are at the dealer, ask them to pull up the Warranty section of your vehicle information. There is literally a section in there for each specific warranty (powertrain, bumper to bumper, emissions, etc.), with a duration and status. The dealer can change the status. It doesn't have to go through Judge Judy and NHTSA.

-Geoff

[Billabongi]

Originally Posted by ThatCamaroPartsGuy.com

You rock, I expected that to be on the front page.

Actually I knew I wasn’t crazy, I double checked when I got home and my instructions do not show that. Oh well here’s to hoping they don’t fight me.