[Raven87]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

With the obsession with roll racing with many HC owners, I'll bet it is far more likely they will be the ones seeing other car taillights on the strip. I'd bet the majority can not lay down a time faster than many of the media reviews. A car like that takes a tremendous amount of patience and practice to launch correctly. Even the SP/SRT cars are the same. One thing seems to be consistent with the 6th gen chassis, it is very easy to launch. Will that apply to the ZL1? We shall see. But I agree with everything else you stated.

I still say it will be a driver's race regardless where the race will be held.

Anyone that thinks the HC is an easy target with their shiny new LT4(?) powered ZL1 is a fool. There are many, many vids of C7Zs getting waxed by the HC (and just as many the other way around too).

Yes, the ZL1 will have more cooling etc but it is not the end-all, be-all answer to drag racing dominance. And, neither is the HC - with two monsters like the HC and ZL1 lined up against each other (from a dig or a roll), it will come down to the driver more than anything, more often than not, if STOCK vs STOCK.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I still say it will be a driver's race regardless where the race will be held.

Anyone that thinks the HC is an easy target with their shiny new LT4(?) powered ZL1 is a fool. There are many, many vids of C7Zs getting waxed by the HC (and just as many the other way around too).

Yes, the ZL1 will have more cooling etc but it is not the end-all, be-all answer to drag racing dominance. And, neither is the HC - with two monsters like the HC and ZL1 lined up against each other (from a dig or a roll), it will come down to the driver more than anything, more often than not, if STOCK vs STOCK.

Guess it depends on your definition of a drivers race. To me that's a couple of tenths or less, which I could see assuming both drivers get a decent launch. But the HC is by far more likely to completely blow off the tires in a big way. Which would cost it more than a couple tenths. I just don't see the ZL1 suffering that issue this time.

And unless we are talking manuals, there is absolutely no skill involved in roll racing. Even then shifting one or two gears doesn't require near the skill of launching a manual.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Guess it depends on your definition of a drivers race. To me that's a couple of tenths or less, which I could see assuming both drivers get a decent launch. But the HC is by far more likely to completely blow off the tires in a big way. Which would cost it more than a couple tenths. I just don't see the ZL1 suffering that issue this time.

And unless we are talking manuals, there is absolutely no skill involved in roll racing. Even then shifting one or two gears doesn't require near the skill of launching a manual.

We shall see and I do agree with you about no skill for roll racing vs from a dig.

But don't think the ZL1 will not also blow its tires off almost as easily because it will. Given the ZL1 is lighter, even though the tires are wider, it may wash away the traction just as easy as the HC.

Even the C7Z has traction issues (watch the vids on YouTube) and it has 335s so wider doesn't guarantee anything; it helps yes but it's no get out of jail free card for traction issues when you are trying to harness mountains of torque.

It's going to be fun to see what happens regardless. But the bottom line is that the driver will have to know how to drive the car - and often that is not the case when it comes to finesse and this kind of power.

[NASTY99Z28]

If the z06 is having troubles with a hellcat what makes any of you think the zl1 will do better? The extra weight of the car plus the fact that it's not as aerodynamic as the vette is to great for the 10sp to offset. The zl1 will be the better overall car (like it always has been) but the hellcat will still be quicker and faster.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I can't believe how long this thread has continued.....

[Sven59]

We need a stock for stock same driver, same track, same time with lots of passes to answer this.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Sven59

We need a stock for stock same driver, same track, same time with lots of passes to answer this.

But even then, I imagine someone might contend that one car breathed in a fart and made it faster...

What really blows my mind is the discussion surrounding the Z06 vs Hellcat...is it really believable that 57 hp (or 8%) more is enough to make up for a 1000lb disadvantage?

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Sven59

We need a stock for stock same driver, same track, same time with lots of passes to answer this.

Absolutely. But first, we need the ZL1 to be built.

It will definitely be a good match-up on the street and strip. On a road course it will be all ZL1.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

But even then, I imagine someone might contend that one car breathed in a fart and made it faster...

What really blows my mind is the discussion surrounding the Z06 vs Hellcat...is it really believable that 57 hp (or 8%) more is enough to make up for a 1000lb disadvantage?

Most of the "vids and posts" about the ZO6 having trouble with the HC is from roll racing. The HC autos have an advantage in gearing that is probably helping more. I'm betting a lot of it though is heat soak/improperly bleed systems like we have already heard about it. I would say safely though, the ZO6 isn't walking any HC except from a dig.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I can't believe how long this thread has continued.....

I can believe it. The hellcat is probably the best competitor to the ZL1. The hellcat has been at the top and most of us are wanting the ZL1 to take the crown. We know the ZL1 will take care of the hellcat on the track just not exactly sure how the match up will be at the drag strip. It's gonna be close its just fun speculating the outcome when the 2 will get together.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

But even then, I imagine someone might contend that one car breathed in a fart and made it faster...

What really blows my mind is the discussion surrounding the Z06 vs Hellcat...is it really believable that 57 hp (or 8%) more is enough to make up for a 1000lb disadvantage?

So the ZL1 is going to come in with a curb weight of just under 3500 lbs? Not from what I've read or heard but maybe you have some inside info? Isn't that close to C7Z weight? Or are you saying the HC weighs in at 4850? Which it does not but Motor Trend says the '17 ZL1 comes in at 3850.

The ZL1 will no doubt be a monster and will manhandle the HC on a road course. But in the real world it will not be a cakewalk for the beloved ZL1 against a HC.

Unless the HC driver simply doesn't know how to drive.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Raven87

So the ZL1 is going to come in with a curb weight of just under 3500 lbs? Not from what I've read or heard but maybe you have some inside info? Isn't that close to C7Z weight? Or are you saying the HC weighs in at 4850? Which it does not but Motor Trend says the '17 ZL1 comes in at 3850.

The ZL1 will no doubt be a monster and will manhandle the HC on a road course. But in the real world it will not be a cakewalk for the beloved ZL1 against a HC.

Unless the HC driver simply doesn't know how to drive.

I was referring to the Z06.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I was referring to the Z06.

Thanks! My bad.

And you're right - it is hard to imagine that with 'only' 57 HP the HC can still give the C7Z a run but I do think a LOT of those wins by the HC are because the C7Z driver hasn't learned how to finesse that much power in a car that 'light'.

[Norm Peterson]

A car that's oriented more toward running on road courses tends to give up something at the dragstrip. Look for MPH to be on the high side relative to what's 'normal' for the ET.


Norm