[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by LESS1

GT is overpriced and according to C&D LL ~4 seconds per lap slower than ZR1.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

Why would anyone compare GT500 against an AWD sub 400HP car? I'd really like to see GT350/R vs Focus RS... they could do a reliability comparison. Who's going to blow up first? GT350/R Vooblew or Focus RS... place your bets here!

Well they already compared the 500 to the C8, Hellcat, and ZL1. (Granted a small comparison but I assume more in depth comparisons are forthcoming)

If Subaru wants to price a car at 64k then it seems fair. Plus I'm sure they had both in the test stable and said "What the hell why not?"

[BlaqWhole]

I just saw a video of a stock GT500 up against an 18 M6 trans ZL1. The ZL1 had a Kong ported stock blower, intake, headers, and layed down 651whp on 93 octane. The ZL1 walked away pretty easily. This looked to be on a private road course but I am not sure what they got up to.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Starts to highlight how hard it really is and why the pros are so dang good!

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Also why it is important that these cars run consistently and don't overheat. You might lose time on one turn or one lap but you could run a better time the next lap. If the car overheats and fades off or can't maintain posture then that one lap will be it.

Correct. Blaq can you please acknowledge that 1 second is not a large differential between laps? Could it be the car slowing down slightly? Yes, but it is far more likely driver inconsistency from lap to lap.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The car is obviously a 10 second capable car proven multiple times already and I don't think anyone claims otherwise.... but these guys like to ignore the tons of 11s they run as well... look at palm beach dyno's lightly modded car, ran 10.5 once then a few 11.1s... and I guess the magazines were sand bagging lol

Not really a direct reply to you, but relevant.
I got ripped on for taking my Hellcat to the strip without drag radials. Some people might not want DRs, cant afford another set of wheels/DRs, or many other reasons for just not having them; but when it comes down to it anyone who is serious about drag racing any of these cars (even Vettes) will have them. You can still blow a launch with DRs if they aren't heated up or are over heated, i've done it. With equal traction the trap speed tells the story. If the GT500 heat soaks after a couple runs, the smart owner will park it and let it cool, but i think the Vegas event proved that they can be hot lapped.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Correct. Blaq can you please acknowledge that 1 second is not a large differential between laps? Could it be the car slowing down slightly? Yes, but it is far more likely driver inconsistency from lap to lap.

No. A full second is impossible to overcome unless the other driver makes a huge mistake. Anyone can get out of a car and claim they messed up this and that, they lost this much time here or there, whatever. That nonsense is moot because both cars have Human drivers that will make mistakes at some point. So it is a wash. When one car consistently loses then you need to accept that it might just be slower. 1-2 Tenths I'll agree can be overcome. More than that and you're pushing it. A full second and you'll need God giving you a tailwind strong enough to part an ocean to catch up.

[TheRealJA105]

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So out of 6 runs, only one run was 10.73?

What were the other runs? And which attempt did they get the 10.7? LOL!! I mean, were 5 of the runs all in the mid 11s? Did it run 10.7 on the first run and then couldn't duplicate another 10 sec run for the entire day?

They said after each run they messed around with the launch control. Maybe it was the third one, maybe it was the last one. Does it matter?

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I just read that article. A 64k Subaru is ridiculous. I thought it was a typo at first.

yeah that is insane

[QUOTE=TheRealJA105;10711287
I got ripped on for taking my Hellcat to the strip without drag radials. Some people might not want DRs, cant afford another set of wheels/DRs, or many other reasons for just not having them; but when it comes down to it anyone who is serious about drag racing any of these cars (even Vettes) will have them. You can still blow a launch with DRs if they aren't heated up or are over heated, i've done it. With equal traction the trap speed tells the story. If the GT500 heat soaks after a couple runs, the smart owner will park it and let it cool, but i think the Vegas event proved that they can be hot lapped.[/QUOTE]

Very easy to blow a launch. People that drag race enough will tell you there are so many little variables that can mess up a launch. There is always a learning curve and if you screw one thing up and it can screw everything up.

My nitto 555Rs I had to roast them in the burnout to get a good a 60. my MTs just a quick spin to get the rocks off them, my M&H drag radials needed a good burnout and I had to really drop the air in those. Did the person in front of you drive the wet box, were they on street tires tearing up the surface is the person in the next lane taking their sweet time to stage. so many things that can screw up a launch

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

They said after each run they messed around with the launch control. Maybe it was the third one, maybe it was the last one. Does it matter?

It matters if it could be done only once. And if the second closest time was 3 tenths slower then that would have been 11 flat. So it kinda does matter.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It matters if it could be done only once. And if the second closest time was 3 tenths slower then that would have been 11 flat. So it kinda does matter.

Ehh if it was a review type then yeah I see your point. This was a shop getting their best base line time before they start making parts for it.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Very easy to blow a launch. People that drag race enough will tell you there are so many little variables that can mess up a launch. There is always a learning curve and if you screw one thing up and it can screw everything up.

My nitto 555Rs I had to roast them in the burnout to get a good a 60. my MTs just a quick spin to get the rocks off them, my M&H drag radials needed a good burnout and I had to really drop the air in those. Did the person in front of you drive the wet box, were they on street tires tearing up the surface is the person in the next lane taking their sweet time to stage. so many things that can screw up a launch

Yep and the launch makes or breaks the entire run, which is my point. The car isn't getting slower or inconsistent it's the driver screwing up the launch and it's even easier to screw up the launch on stock tires.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Well they already compared the 500 to the C8, Hellcat, and ZL1. (Granted a small comparison but I assume more in depth comparisons are forthcoming)

If Subaru wants to price a car at 64k then it seems fair. Plus I'm sure they had both in the test stable and said "What the hell why not?"

sti for 64k is crazy, a car that will get smoked by an ss 1le and gt pp2 for a lot less money..... but I guess its a good rally and snow car lol...

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I just saw a video of a stock GT500 up against an 18 M6 trans ZL1. The ZL1 had a Kong ported stock blower, intake, headers, and layed down 651whp on 93 octane. The ZL1 walked away pretty easily. This looked to be on a private road course but I am not sure what they got up to.

About time we start seeing some modified m6 zl1's representing.

[LESS1]

[QUOTE=TheRealJA105;10711287


"With equal traction the trap speed tells the story."[/QUOTE]


Fact: All things being equal your trap speed will actually be slower with a good launch and higher with some wheel spin. Also need to factor in if you shallow or deep stage. Shallow provides a foot or so of roll out before you trip the timing beam. Anyone that has ever run on a street tire and then switched over to a DR will notice a drop off in MPH with an improved ET. Of course, this assumes the street tire was able to provide adequate traction for a good launch, to begin with. If you're a hack behind the wheel in the first place then this will most likely not be the case. Last time I went to the drag strip it was laughable at best, people just don't know how to drive anymore, hence the ever-popular "roll race" WTH?

[LESS1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I just saw a video of a stock GT500 up against an 18 M6 trans ZL1. The ZL1 had a Kong ported stock blower, intake, headers, and layed down 651whp on 93 octane. The ZL1 walked away pretty easily. This looked to be on a private road course but I am not sure what they got up to.

Link, please.

[LESS1]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Well they already compared the 500 to the C8, Hellcat, and ZL1. (Granted a small comparison but I assume more in depth comparisons are forthcoming)

If Subaru wants to price a car at 64k then it seems fair. Plus I'm sure they had both in the test stable and said "What the hell why not?"

Only fair when you give away 350 HP or more is to race them in the snow! My money's on Scooby.