[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Hate to beat a dead horse, but this is a funny video.



After claiming how reliable his MT82 is, it breaks mid video (around 7.33). I enjoy his vids despite him being a staunch Ford fanboy.

Wow what a shame

[Koldunic]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you don't by manual cars for their performance anymore... now its all about "feeling connected".

does feeling good while getting your ass beat really feel that good?

I can’t say. I don’t race in the streets and I don’t respond to morons that wants to race.

To each his own I guess. My next car will be an auto but I don’t feel the need to trash talk the other option or the people prefering the other option.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

Not true, but the TYPE of auto is the important part. While Slush boxes have come a long way and are as quick as a dual clutch on the up shift, they still can not compare on the downshift or the reaction time from the time you click the paddle to the time the shift actually happens.

If you take a someone who only has known a manual and give them the new autos and they are open minded, they will be thoroughly impressed.

HOWEVER...

You put someone who has experienced a dual clutch tranny (Audi BMW, Porsche) and the slush boxes can not match up when taken as a whole. In the up shift, yes, everywhere else, NOPE.

After having an Audi and BMW dual clutch, the only other acceptable option for me is a rev matching manual.

Given the option between a rev matching manual and a dual clutch, I will take the dual clutch every time. However given the choice of a slush box and a rev matching manual, I would take the manual everytime.

My point was, that someone who's a purist doesn't care if an auto (dual-clutch or not) is faster or shifts quicker. You're looking at it from purely a performance perspective, but that's only a small part of it.

You are willing to go with one or the other based on that performance aspect first and foremost. So I would not consider you a manual purist.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all about the autos. They are quicker most of the times, but their performance cannot make up for their lack of engagement compared to a manual.

I am familiar with the dual clutch trannies and how responsive they are. A friend of mine owns a modified Audi S4. The thing is a bullet and yes, the shifts are instantaneous up and down. Still, I'd rather have a manual clutch.

I think the Porsche GT3 is the best example of this. The PDK tranny is quicker, but the purists wanted the manual, so Porsche built it.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

My point was, that someone who's a purist doesn't care if an auto (dual-clutch or not) is faster or shifts quicker. You're looking at it from purely a performance perspective, but that's only a small part of it.

You are willing to go with one or the other based on that performance aspect first and foremost. So I would not consider you a manual purist.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all about the autos. They are quicker most of the times, but their performance cannot make up for their lack of engagement compared to a manual.

I am familiar with the dual clutch trannies and how responsive they are. A friend of mine owns a modified Audi S4. The thing is a bullet and yes, the shifts are instantaneous up and down. Still, I'd rather have a manual clutch.

I think the Porsche GT3 is the best example of this. The PDK tranny is quicker, but the purists wanted the manual, so Porsche built it.

This! The obsession with lap times and quarter mile times fuels the push towards automatic versions. While autos shine in regards to the stopwatch they lack in the driver engagement and pure fun of actually driving the car.

Nothing wrong with either automatics or manuals, whichever car best fits your needs. For myself there is no right or wrong answer in the manual vs auto debate, it depends on the car.

[SecondZ28]

I had to take my company truck into the Ford dealer, sat in a 2018 Mustang GT while there.

Quite impressed. The interior is noticeably better than Camaro.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

I had to take my company truck into the Ford dealer, sat in a 2018 Mustang GT while there.

Quite impressed. The interior is noticeably better than Camaro.

Dude. You own a gen5

[Fraxum]

Having been a manual purist for many years the performance programmed ZL1 A10 is a new type of auto beast. I have just as much fun on the street and enjoy driving my ZL1 as much or maybe even more so than my past manuals. I miss the manual only a little.

Although at the track running an auto all the skill is in the launch and then you just hang on and focus on keeping your foot planted. A little boring actually even though faster. So I focus on my RT trying to beat faster cars. That is some fun.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Wow what a shame

Glad I have the 2016.

After 24,000 miles, only issue I have had was a cracked intake manifold runner control.
(crosses fingers).

Now watch everything blow the hell up on my way home from work today.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Dude. You own a gen5

Guess I shoud clarify?

I found the Mustang is nicer than a 2SS Gen 6

Exterior still looks like crap and reliability seems to be bad. But it's got a one up on the interior

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Dude. You own a gen5

That seemed a little harsh

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

I had to take my company truck into the Ford dealer, sat in a 2018 Mustang GT while there.

Quite impressed. The interior is noticeably better than Camaro.

I'm not sure which trim level GT you sat in or which trim level SS you're comparing it to. But I've been in a base GT, a Premium GT, a GT with PP, a base SS, a 2SS, and my ZL1. There is nothing "nicer" on either car when comparing trim levels. Base to base they were similar. 2 SS to Premium and again, they were similar. I saw nothing noticeably better in one over the other. I did feel that the Premium GT seemed to be not as durable.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Guess I shoud clarify?

I found the Mustang is nicer than a 2SS Gen 6

Exterior still looks like crap and reliability seems to be bad. But it's got a one up on the interior

Originally Posted by shaffe

That seemed a little harsh

Sorry. I assumed it was a point of reference thing. I sold a 13 ZL1 for the 16 2SS primarily for the interior upgrade.

I like the S550 exterior but don't care for the interior. Especially the shift knob and the rocker switches.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

If by "holding its own" you mean losing to any comparable auto , then yes it sure can.

Actually "holding its own" means whatever car you line up either at the stop light or at the track. There is no apples to apples, it could be anything from a wingged Honda to a full prep Demon... bottom line is I brought the manual cause I wanted a manual and yes it "holds it own".

[/QUOTE]

[oldman]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Yes and no. The manual offers driver engagement that no automatic can match, you become part of the car. You are driving the car and not the other way around. Will it be a tick slower, yes, will it be a pain to drive in traffic, yes. Will it be more fun in any spirited driving venue, it sure will.

This all being said there are certain cars which I think are just better off with an automatic, the Challenger being one of them.

agree here