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I checked KBB cost of ownership and Camaro does hold its value a little better than Mustang, Challenger and BMW 230i. It appears all the Pony’s and luxury coupes/sedans take a pretty hard hit in the first three years. I’m no expert. In this example I just selected Camaro SS coupe and it gave the Mustang and Challenger example. I added the BMW just to see how it looked. I made no attempt to change or add options. FYI - you can look and the depreciation broken out from the 5-year for each and it looks similar
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05-16-2018, 07:56 PM | #2144 | |
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Every review that i’ve seen, including motortrend, claimed the mustang’s interior was better. They never claimed that it felt cheap other than those little toggle switches. They said the camaro had scratchy plastics all over. I am not a ford boy, but I don’t understand how you can make such a broad statement. Just because one is setup as a more comfortable daily driver doesn’t mean it is cheap? EDIT: The reason i say this is because i recently rented a S550 with 42K miles. It was the GT model (i had to pay more), so i assumed the car had a tough life. It was still absolutely solid. It really looked good for it’s age. I haven’t had many rental cars with such high mileage,, so i was impressed. Last edited by autocross; 05-16-2018 at 08:21 PM. Reason: more to say! |
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05-17-2018, 07:53 AM | #2145 |
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PP2 short review
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...AE16BE94AA8861 |
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05-17-2018, 11:52 AM | #2147 | |
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05-17-2018, 12:03 PM | #2148 |
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Resale will always be limited on both cars because they both have very limited audiences. I’m a musician. There are a couple brands of bass guitars that are well known for being best in class, highly customized, and having horrible resale values. Sound familiar? Very limited and discerning customer base for instruments with that level of content and at their price points.
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05-17-2018, 12:38 PM | #2150 |
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If you want good retail I suggest a white civic with CVT and no other options.....
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That leaves me with mixed feelings. The car obviously responds well to suspension and tire improvements, but who knows how the GT’s steering would’ve responded to this.
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05-17-2018, 01:21 PM | #2153 | |
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Is that really a secret? Corvette with 460hp, Camaro with 455... There's a very good reason those figures are what they are. |
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http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...ce-pack-2.html ...that for the PP2 the rear stabilizer bar stiffness was increased 67% whereas the front was only stiffened 12%. When I saw that, I felt that Ford would have fixed the issues that MT documented in the H2H. Of course, the proof is in the pudding, so I want to see another H2H. As for the variable ratio steering, I love it in the Camaro, and it certainly doesn't cause any steering issues there. In fact, I find that I don't ever have to move my hands from 10 and 2 on a road course, because I don't come near where I would have to cross my arms under the tightest turns, but on the high speed straights, the steering is not too twitchy. It also helps a ton for me because I have the auto transmission, and the paddle shifters are mounted on the steering wheel. Since I don't have to ever move my hand placement on the steering wheel, they are always in position to shift. For manual guys, it would matter less. But, it's not the variable ratio steering that was the problem. It was the rear end flopping around after the front set the turn. |
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05-20-2018, 07:30 AM | #2156 | |
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