[djfury05]

I guarantee come fall air at the tracks like ATCO with good DA we will see high 10 second passes from ZL1's BONE STOCK with stock tires off showroom floor.

[Speedy1975]

Yep, just tires on the 10.62. I don't think the DA was anything crazy, but the driver is accustomed to the track for sure. He's done VERY minimal mods (pulley, 3.09 rear, injectors, tune) and runs 9s on pump gas now at nearly 140MPH. He gave me a new target though with that 10.62 LOL and agree that's a smoking fast time. My old Challenger ran a best of 10.850 at 128 so if I can best that in the Hellcat with just tires I'll have met my personal goal.

The ZL1 is an awesome car no doubt about it. I seriously considered it, and would have probably gone with it had the HC not been discounted heavily. Dodge WAY over produced 2016s and they went for $10K+ off sticker after sitting on lots for several months. While brilliant at engineering and marketing, the business couldn't have screwed up more if they tried. Under produced 2015s causing massive price gouging ($20K+ ADM) then turn around and flood the market in 2016 leaving cars to languish on dealer lots. To add insult to injury, after touting the 3300 Demons that will be built making this sound "rare" less than 3,000 Hellcats were produced in 2017, so again the business gives their customers another black eye. Hey, at least it allowed me a killer deal on my 2016, but I'd be really pissed off had I payed MSRP let alone ADM. Some guys are glutton for punishment I guess as they're going through it all over again on the Demon.

[big dave]

These are 2 great cars that are guaranteed to bring smiles to those who drive them. I crossed shopped the hellcat before buying my 2nd ZL1. After reading about the rear end issues and broken driveshafts, I decided on the Chevy. Sometimes I wish I had gotten the Dodge if for nothing else but the sheer comfort. I'm not saying the ZL1 isn't comfortable, but it's not living room comfortable . It truly is an all business car that's only reaffirmed after hopping from the '17 into the '13, which is a bit smoother riding and easier to get into and out of. Do I regret buying the '17? Absolutely not!!! It is an incredible car that does everything better than any other car I have ever driven.

In saying all that, I'm a drag racer at heart. Though having a car that handles is great, straight line performance matters to me more. I've said it before in this thread that I think this car will run high 10s in favorable conditions, stock. I may be proven wrong but I aim to find out. Either way, it will be close. Drag radials on this car won't have the affect that they do on the hellcat since the ZL1 isn't as severely traction limited on street tires as the kitty. Ultimately I see the fastest ZL1 times being around .3 slower than the quickest Z06s. It will be difficult to launch like the Z06s, my buddy routinely pulls very low 1.6 60' times with his. I have gone into the mid to high 1.6s in my '13 stock. I think it will take a 1.6? and good air for the new Z to run 10s. It will be done!

[Zl1steve]

Big Dave, I am betting my next time out we will run a ten. Last trip was a 11.10 in a head wind and 75 degrees. Running 127 almost every time.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Zl1steve

Big Dave, I am betting my next time out we will run a ten. Last trip was a 11.10 in a head wind and 75 degrees. Running 127 almost every time.

The trap speed of 127 alone should be enough for a 10. It was probably just a matter of the launching. Some of the Hellcats that ran in the 10's were trapping 127, so the speed/power is there, that's undeniable.

[IneedAZ]

Originally Posted by Zl1steve

Big Dave, I am betting my next time out we will run a ten. Last trip was a 11.10 in a head wind and 75 degrees. Running 127 almost every time.

Are you and Dave using tour mode with track exhaust?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by big dave

These are 2 great cars that are guaranteed to bring smiles to those who drive them. I crossed shopped the hellcat before buying my 2nd ZL1. After reading about the rear end issues and broken driveshafts, I decided on the Chevy. Sometimes I wish I had gotten the Dodge if for nothing else but the sheer comfort. I'm not saying the ZL1 isn't comfortable, but it's not living room comfortable . It truly is an all business car that's only reaffirmed after hopping from the '17 into the '13, which is a bit smoother riding and easier to get into and out of. Do I regret buying the '17? Absolutely not!!! It is an incredible car that does everything better than any other car I have ever driven.

In saying all that, I'm a drag racer at heart. Though having a car that handles is great, straight line performance matters to me more. I've said it before in this thread that I think this car will run high 10s in favorable conditions, stock. I may be proven wrong but I aim to find out. Either way, it will be close. Drag radials on this car won't have the affect that they do on the hellcat since the ZL1 isn't as severely traction limited on street tires as the kitty. Ultimately I see the fastest ZL1 times being around .3 slower than the quickest Z06s. It will be difficult to launch like the Z06s, my buddy routinely pulls very low 1.6 60' times with his. I have gone into the mid to high 1.6s in my '13 stock. I think it will take a 1.6? and good air for the new Z to run 10s. I will be done!

Anxious to see how you do with it. Getting low 1.6 on street tires is no joke. Whats your local track and p!ease dont sah atco lol.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD15

That's what they say on Hellcat.org! I haven't witnessed it!

Nor have It at any track and most are modified with gears, Cat delete, CAI etc.But they won't tell you that either. This is of course in slow west coast air.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by KyleL

those guys claiming they run 10.6 with tires must have forgot they upgraded their driveshaft and swapped their stock diff for a scat pack diff, which has 3.09 gears as opposed to the 2.62 that came with the hellcats.

Those mods with tires, great prep, and some good air will definitely see 10.6-10.8 pass.

Big difference between 10.6 and 10.8 at the stripe.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Raven87

"Stock" is as the car came off the showroom floor from the factory.

"Modded" is ANY change (not a replacement in kind) that deviates from "Stock" specifications including tire size, tire tread design, or any other change to the car that it did not come from the factory with.

If you put OEM tires back on the car that is still a 'stock' specification vehicle. Replacement in kind is not a mod.

Period.

So, do these high hp cars benefit from a tire change? Of course. But is changing the tires to take advantage of better traction leave the car in 'Stock/As Built from the factory' configuration?

Absolutely not. Parse the words or the justification any way you want but once you change tire size and tread design, your car is no longer 'stock'.

Makes for an excuse for losing a race though.

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Big difference between 10.6 and 10.8 at the stripe.

That's right....but it can also be the difference in tracks will equally skilled drivers/mods

Fwiw, I've seen tuning adjustments alone take my buddy's a8 c7 from 11.4 to 11.0 throughout the night

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

It's not bias. I have a Gen 6 Camaro as well, which I've mentioned a bunch of times. The Camaro is a nice car, but not on par with what Dodge is doing these days. Dodge is re-writing history with their cars. Chevy is playing it safe plain and simple. I wish Chevy would push the envelope more.

You have a lot of input on this thread and a lot of mods in you're signature, are you tracking your car? If so where? What times (laps or 1/4s)?



Why would Dodge need to chase a 1LE or the ZL1 on a road course with the Demon? They have everyone talking about their current product, that is on a 10 year old platform and still has the headlines. Someone at Dodge made a risky decision and it has paid off big time. The sales of Challenger went up dramatically after the announcement of the Demon as folks just want to be a part of something that big.

Now that they've pretty much conquered the horse power war, I would suspect they'll come out with something that's a road course weapon next. I just hope they leave the Challenger a lone and do it under some other moniker (Cuda? ) You didn't hear that from me

You may get bored in 10 minutes at the drag strip, but I personally wouldn't risk a $60,000 - $70,000 car on a road course. Nor would I want to deal with the upkeep costs and entry fees. I used to road race sport bikes and that was an expensive endeavor at about $600 a weekend by the time I paid for fuel, tires, entry fee, and maintenance. Road course racing a modern performance car will certainly exceed that. My friends that started off there, have since sold their modern car and gone to a $10,000 BMW that's gutted for their road course days, of which several have gotten wadded up.

It's $15 TNT at my local drag strip. My tires last several years as well as brakes. Risk to the vehicle is greatly diminished as well as there are less opportunities for an incident, still there, but diminished. I'll take that all day long.

Most won't ever take their ZL1 to the drag strip much less a road course though. They'll point at the Motor Trend article and claim how much better rounded the ZL1 is without ever finding out what it can do in their own hands. I just don't work like that as I gotta know what I can get it to do.
Same goes for most Hellcat owners I come across as well. Seems pointless to me to have such a powerful car and never see what you can do with it, but to each their own as they say.

We're way off topic but I love talking cars and their pros and cons.

One of these days I'm gonna do a video comparo of my Challenger and Camaro. It's amazing how right each manufacturer got some items while completely missing the boat on others. For example, the Hellcat has a freaking foot pedal as the parking brake LOL. The Camaro's push button is much more elegant. The Camaro digital dash has a boat load of wasted space and the graphics a bit grainy while the Hellcat's digital dash is well utilized with all kind of information in various colors and the graphics razor sharp.

Dodge is rewriting a particular history but the so is the $65K Camaro, The HC serves as a 4 passenger car (kinda) and is a great road car which has nice comfort as well as a very very nice interior. The Camaro ZL1 has it's own history going on in other areas. Thing about the Demon ($86K plus) is that it IS a 1 trick Pony, the HC, not so much. Great time to be alive. The ZL1 has a very menacing appearance. The Dodge is dated.

[grampa_ss]

If the tires are not drag radials or slicks....the car is considered "stock" everywhere else on this planet.... except this forums fast list and a few anal members.

Never ever have I heard someone at a race track say my car is modded with all season tires. You guys kill me.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

The trap speed of 127 alone should be enough for a 10. It was probably just a matter of the launching. Some of the Hellcats that ran in the 10's were trapping 127, so the speed/power is there, that's undeniable.

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