[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm just curious what are you basing these assumptions on? The above posted H2H against the CTSV? Remember other Mag test have been much faster:

How about 11:00s
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/01/d...-quarter-mile/

"Getting the Hellcat's prodigious power down without losing traction was a challenge, even on the summer tires. Cars.com thought it had a run that could have dropped below 11 seconds, but then the wheels spun. Using the factory-recommended pressures, the Charger Hellcat was no still slouch with an 11.27-second time recorded, but taking things down to 25 psi proved the quickest at the strip."

I don't think there's a member here that doesn't know what the HC can do in 1320 feet of straight road. I think we also know that a car that can do well in more than one thing is something the camaro excels at.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm just curious what are you basing these assumptions on? The above posted H2H against the CTSV? Remember other Mag test have been much faster:

How about 11:00s
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/01/d...-quarter-mile/

Can't cherry pick the best times for either car. Same day/driver/track comparisons are the most fair.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Can't cherry pick the best times for either car. Same day/driver/track comparisons are the most fair.

Well yes you can, if the driver has a lucky run with the one and not the other you can. As it stands now Cars.com got the Charger Hellcat down to 11:03 and ran other 11:00s on factory rubber. I don't recall any CTS-V being anywhere near that but maybe I am wrong. Can the Zl1 beat this time, maybe.

[SuperSound]

I'm pretty sure MT runs cars under street conditions, meaning no track prep. Cars.com I remember in other reviews uses a professionally preppard track. So that will be the difference there. Then there is the different elevations, air temps, humidity and other environmental factors to consider. Now if Cars.com had ran the CTS-V at the same time, it would be one to use.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I'm pretty sure MT runs cars under street conditions, meaning no track prep. Cars.com I remember in other reviews uses a professionally preppard track. So that will be the difference there. Then there is the different elevations, air temps, humidity and other environmental factors to consider. Now if Cars.com had ran the CTS-V at the same time, it would be one to use.

Yes...the major car mags usually either run non-prepped surfaces set up to measure a 1/4 mile or non-prepped drag strips.

Cars.com, and the other groups will often run on a VHT prepared track.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Intimidator

I still can't believe that people still think the HellKitties will keep up with the ZL1???
We have seen the V's numbers, we know what the HellKitty twins run, and then people think it will be a drivers race?
I'm sorry, but IMHO, with such a better chassis, handling, larger tires, large weight advantage, and realistically less than 30 HP or fewer away, the ZL1 is just gonna drag the hell out of the Kitty twins!
There really cannot be any argument, at this time, about ride comfort, track ability, etc....The "Dodge Boys" will have to hope for another bone or two at the next redesign!

Assuming the LT1 will be making 680+ hp is getting a little ahead of yourself.

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[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Assuming the LT1 will be making 680+ hp is getting a little ahead of yourself.

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Maybe, but even at 650HP the LT4 based ZL1's PWR is better, or will very likely be better...no numbers yet.

I'm betting on 665HP on the ZL1

[newmoon]

Granted I am sure Cars.com had very good conditions for these runs, but don't loose focus the Hellcat ran these times stock! These times were not from some private owner or speed shop who had secret tunes and weight reduction claiming to be stock.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Sven59

And the unknown factor, that 10 spd tranny!

You should not expect any straight line performance gain going from 8 spd to 10 spd. The Corvette made zero gains performance wise in a straight line going from 6 spd to 8 spd. The fastest stock Corvette, 2 out of the top 3, and 5 out of the top 7 are all automatic '14's.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Granted I am sure Cars.com had very good conditions for these runs, but don't loose focus the Hellcat ran these times stock! These times were not from some private owner or speed shop who had secret tunes and weight reduction claiming to be stock.

Granted but having one best time from one source doesn't negate the other times anymore than a terrible time negates better times from other sources. The thing to take from the MT H2H is that the cars were extremely close in performance that day under those conditions. We don't know what the CTS-V would do in the Cars.com test since they didn't run it.

[Intimidator]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Assuming the LT1 will be making 680+ hp is getting a little ahead of yourself.

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IMHO, the ZL1 will get the exact same LT4 that is in the ZO6...just like the SS and Stingray...but just the same, the Camaro drivetrain, intake, exhaust, etc. will be more efficient....at least for this year!
Add to the fact that the Majority of the Professional driver's feel the ZO6 chassis cannot handle the HP efficiently, and they are raving about the New Camaro platform, I think we are in for one of those rare moments in the Corvette vs Camaro history. I'm not saying little Brother will Hurt Big Brother, but things this year are going to be closer than in a long while!

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

You should not expect any straight line performance gain going from 8 spd to 10 spd. The Corvette made zero gains performance wise in a straight line going from 6 spd to 8 spd. The fastest stock Corvette, 2 out of the top 3, and 5 out of the top 7 are all automatic '14's.

Yes, but ten speeds shifting with a max of 800 rpms drop between shifts. The car never drops out of the power band, it will be interesting to see the impact. The video shows extremely fast shifts with the paddle shifters, and with the trans doing the shifting it may be lighting fast.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

You should not expect any straight line performance gain going from 8 spd to 10 spd. The Corvette made zero gains performance wise in a straight line going from 6 spd to 8 spd. The fastest stock Corvette, 2 out of the top 3, and 5 out of the top 7 are all automatic '14's.

There's also not been any comparisons between the two in any media reviews. Private owner times are a mixed bag. While I'm not going to say one is faster than the other, I would say there appears to be minimal differences from what have seen reported by owners.

We will just have to wait and see as always.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Intimidator

IMHO, the ZL1 will get the exact same LT4 that is in the ZO6...just like the SS and Stingray...but just the same, the Camaro drivetrain, intake, exhaust, etc. will be more efficient....at least for this year!
Add to the fact that the Majority of the Professional driver's feel the ZO6 chassis cannot handle the HP efficiently, and they are raving about the New Camaro platform, I think we are in for one of those rare moments in the Corvette vs Camaro history. I'm not saying little Brother will Hurt Big Brother, but things this year are going to be closer than in a long while!

We've seen that the ZL1's LT4 lid is taller than the Z06 so the two are not identical. In an interview with FOX, Al O said they hadn't submitted this combination to SAE yet for certification and that the Camaro team will work this summer to get more power. I'm expecting 665-675 HP