12-26-2013, 01:35 AM | #197 |
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They used to run tours through the Lansing plants when I was a kid. Regret I never went on one. When you grow up around stuff, it seems kind of mundane and ordinary. You don't always realize how special it might be; until you go out in the world and look back.
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12-26-2013, 01:43 AM | #198 |
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12-26-2013, 02:37 AM | #199 | |
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Anyway, where the Camaro is made is much less to do with location than it is a function of wages, IMO. Pay a worker a living wage they he/she can live on and feed their family and prosper and they will show up, have pride in their work and build a quality car. Now take that same set up and pay the employee half so they are scraping by and how long until that worker is pissed and starts looking for a better paying job. Now their eye is off the game and things go for crap. Can the US build a quality car? No doubt in my mind. Can they do it paying substandard wages and and not paying those employees what is considered a living wage? Very unlikely.
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Pfft.
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Thought I was clear it has nothing to do with where but a lot to do with paying a living wage. Hey, if I'm wrong and $15/hr is a good wage for those parts then great but I highly doubt it. But then again I live in Vancouver one go the most expensive places in the world so it might be I just not understanding.
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12-26-2013, 12:01 PM | #203 |
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^^^^Hahahahaha
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12-26-2013, 01:08 PM | #206 |
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FH65, I can totally indeed understand that it's a business decision but the question in the thread seems to be one of what we can expect from a move of the Camaro to a different plant. Everyone loves the current production, for the most part, and the move back South of the car does raise some concerns. There is absolutely no doubt the car can be great, but for that matter it can be great built anywhere given the right circumstances.
My question to you, as I'm currently reading your other thread and you are the GM guy, is are they cutting a different deal for the Camaro facility than they are the Caddy one? Or, are they just going to blend it into the same line and production personnel? Seeing as they have already stated that the Camaro production will have a $15-$19/hr wage expectation I don't understand how they can do it. We've all seen the news stories on how hard Detroit has been hit and the jobs are very much needed. But is it realistic to expect a pride in workmanship and stability at these lower wages? Or if I'm out to lunch on this and that's a good going wage for the area then by all means let me know. Maybe someone from the area can chime in because I just don't see how it can have long term viability.
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Honestly I don't believe it has anything to do with demographics or wage costs. Traditionally GM has always tried to build vehicles on the same platform in the same assembly plant. It just makes sense. For the longest time Oshawa has been an odd assortment of completely random cars, Zeta Camaros, EpII SWB Regals, Premium Epsilon Impala/XTS, Theta-II Equinox final assembly, hell there's still W-body Impala Limited production.
And again, LGR is the same plant that churns out ATS and CTS. Arguably two of the best-executed GM vehicles in decades (and yes, much better than Camaro). The level of quality there isn't an issue. Canada isn't the end-all solution for Camaro production.
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After a quick Google it appears that what I was asking is already being discussed and as I thought it does not make for happy people. Quote from GM, as discussed on pg7; "Second-tier workers hired in Lansing, Mich., to build the next generation of the Cama-ro will start at US$15.78 per hour and top out at US$19.28 in four years, compared to the $34.33 autoworkers on the line make in Oshawa, Faria noted. The situation is the same in Spring Hill, Tenn., where overflow of the Chevrolet Equinox is being built compared to the Oshawa and CAMI plants in Canada." As discussed by the UAW; http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...t/#more-682730 This was the most recent I could find but IF this article is true than the wage discrepancy is already an issue with the workers. We all know what happens next if GM and the UAW can't come to an agreement.
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I like my Canadian built Camaro.
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