[Wilka_SS]

I live in New Orleans and work for a local Cadillac dealership and we haven't gotten a new car delivered in almost 2 and a half months. Our parts availability has gone to shit and I have almost 5 and 6 cars waiting 6 plus weeks for parts that are otherwise grounded and can't even get aftermarket parts. Yesterday all the GM dealers pretty much ran out of oil filters and we are using autozone oil filters on customer cars. We bought the last 5 shocks from the west texas parts distribution center last Wednesday and they are all gone. This is way worse than 2008.

[6sigma]

I fully support US production and US workers, but NOT the union. The union is anti-competitive and hurts US capabilities and workforce. The union is a huge net negative influence for US competitiveness and reduces the number of US manufacturing jobs.

What car can I buy that is from a US-based company, manufactured in the US, that does NOT come from a UAW plant? I don't know that there is one.

I have close family that works for Toyota at a US Toyota plant. He said they are paid fairly, with good benefits and overall the workforce is happy. He does not want a union and sees no use for it. Maybe I'll use his Toyota discount and get a Tundra instead of a GM truck. It's made in Texas by American workers and no union.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 6sigma

I fully support US production and US workers, but NOT the union. The union is anti-competitive and hurts US capabilities and workforce. The union is a huge net negative influence for US competitiveness and reduces the number of US manufacturing jobs.

What car can I buy that is from a US-based company, manufactured in the US, that does NOT come from a UAW plant? I don't know that there is one.

I have close family that works for Toyota at a US Toyota plant. He said they are paid fairly, with good benefits and overall the workforce is happy. He does not want a union and sees no use for it. Maybe I'll use his Toyota discount and get a Tundra instead of a GM truck. It's made in Texas by American workers and no union.

I wish the UAW understood everything you said here. Same for me.... I would love to have the Camaro built right where it’s built right now in East Lansing with the same exact people building it only non-union.

Does everyone know the biggest factor as to why it took GM 7+ years to bring the Camaro back to production after the 4th gen ended in 2002? Because UNIFOR insisted the only way GM could close the St. Therese Quebec plant was to guarantee no car with the nameplate of Camaro or Firebird would be built at any other North American union plant for at least 5 years.

That’s the kind of mentality unions have. GM probably could have released the 5th gen sooner were it not for that. The initial 5th gen concept was released at the 2006 NAIAS.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Sounds like some of you need a history lesson as to why there were unions in the first place.

While I agree that lately they have been problematic, if it weren't for Unions, many of the things you enjoy today wouldn't be here.

I disagree.

It may have come sooner but it still would have come. That's like saying without the Republican party and Abe Lincoln we would still have slavery in the US.

[enzia35]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Well apparently Mary met face to face with the top brass from the UAW today in her office at the RenCen today. Armed security guards escorted them into and back out of her office. The meeting lasted about an hour. Hopefully this leads to a deal. But one of the topics she wanted to make clear to the union is that the strike is threatening to downgrade GM’s Moody’s and S&P credit ratings to junk.

Lol, Ford beat them to the punch on junk rating a few weeks ago.

[orange devil]

Originally Posted by enzia35

Lol, Ford beat them to the punch on junk rating a few weeks ago.

Only the 11% they have in Mazda

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by ZL1 affair

I assure you, not BS. I can get three pictures of my truck where I haven't done anything with it yet and probably won't as the dealer really doesn't want to fix the paint related items.

Loose trim was already fixed, I didn't take pictures of that BS.

Stitching in one of the seats was pulled out, fixed. But all the same BS!

Leaky GPS antenna was fixed, gasket was installed 180deg out. Unskilled worker BS.

My passenger door moulding isn't aligned with the body lines, drivers side is perfect. Don't believe me?

When the sunroof was installed, the union worker hit the roof panel and dented it from the inside out, enough that it cracked the paint. Cant happen, BS!

The 7 pin connector in the bed of the truck was also rammed into place causing the same type of damage on the roof, nice little dent from the inside out. At least the paint isn't cracked on this one. Yup, more BS

$94K dollar truck, I wonder why? Maybe because the careless union workers want more?

Trust me, I buy a lot of vehicles, the ones made in the US are typically worse than all others. But I will say my CTSV built in Lansing has been perfect.

So you're saying you paid 94k and accepted a truck with a ton of problems? Regardless of the issues I would not accept it because I would check it all out beforehand. If you get too excited about things, you bring a friend or spouse to calm you. (there also is no excuse for putting together shit product)

Originally Posted by Charles56

We'll go back a few decades to General Motors Fisher Body plant in West Mifflin, PA. My dad worked as a diesel mechanic on heavy duty trucks. When that company went out of business he landed a job at Fisher Body. He was on the crew that would troubleshoot and repair machinery. Sort of like a Millwright. He was a big time union supporter.
So one evening he takes me on a tour of the plant. And I'll tell you all the equipment it takes to press a hood panel or door panel is pretty damned impressive. So I'm looking at these men standing at these machines placing two fasteners, reaching up and placing each hand on a switch and the press would then set the fasteners in place. So I say to my dad why are you so hip with this union horseshit. You have to use your skills to repair things around here and you could get a chimpanzee to do that guys job and the union got you the same benefits and money as him. My dad didn't answer that.

So you were brought up on union wages and now thinks it's a joke......




I've said it in here before and I'll say it again 95% of those reading this thread wouldn't make it in a factory doing 45-60 cars an hour. Same goes for all the dealership horseshit heroes who could not make a living spinning wrenches.


The complain about the cost of things without regard for the actual reasons why other than parroting what they heard.

[Baldilocks01SS]

I was a Union Millwright for 20 years. Most of us are very skilled and take our trade seriously and deserve the 40-60 an hour we are paid. That being said, the union often protects the troublemakers. Instead of getting fired, they become shop stewards so they can "hide" all day.

We used to have a nice Local Union and then slowly but surely we were swallowed up by larger local unions until the point where we no longer had a local union hall. Pensions dried up and work became slow and car plants here in Delaware closed down. They have too much to say and often it interferes with performance and quality.

Unions have had their day, it's time to move on.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

So you were brought up on union wages and now thinks it's a joke

I gather the gist of his point is that he really didn’t know exactly what people did in a factory until he saw it himself. Then thinking for himself he realized the job doesn’t correlate with the pay or the mindset.

Unions forbid people from using their own brains and thinking for themselves.

Heaven help you if you see a lightbulb burned out and since it only takes you 30 seconds to change it you decide to do it, all on your own without calling the electrician, only to get written up because you took his job from him.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

I wish the UAW understood everything you said here. Same for me.... I would love to have the Camaro built right where it’s built right now in East Lansing with the same exact people building it only non-union.

Does everyone know the biggest factor as to why it took GM 7+ years to bring the Camaro back to production after the 4th gen ended in 2002? Because UNIFOR insisted the only way GM could close the St. Therese Quebec plant was to guarantee no car with the nameplate of Camaro or Firebird would be built at any other North American union plant for at least 5 years.

That’s the kind of mentality unions have. GM probably could have released the 5th gen sooner were it not for that. The initial 5th gen concept was released at the 2006 NAIAS.

Yes that was the agreement GM made in order to close the plant, but if you were fully correct there would have been a 2006 Camaro rather than a 2010.

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

So you're saying you paid 94k and accepted a truck with a ton of problems? Regardless of the issues I would not accept it because I would check it all out beforehand. If you get too excited about things, you bring a friend or spouse to calm you. (there also is no excuse for putting together shit product)





So you were brought up on union wages and now thinks it's a joke......




I've said it in here before and I'll say it again 95% of those reading this thread wouldn't make it in a factory doing 45-60 cars an hour. Same goes for all the dealership horseshit heroes who could not make a living spinning wrenches.


The complain about the cost of things without regard for the actual reasons why other than parroting what they heard.

Sorry I think you have it backwards. 95% could. It’s hard work but there are certainly more physically demanding jobs. I’ve walked the line in a large number of plants and your assertion is way too high. Now a non air conditioned plant in Mexico........oh wait a huge number in my companies plant in Mexico are women and they donAWESOME work.

Originally Posted by Charles56

3.8 doesn't know a damned thing about me. My dad landed that union job after I had started my own business.
What was impressive about that Fisher Body plant was the size of the presses it took to stamp a body panel. And the tool and die makers are true craftsmen. They made the male and female dies for hood,roof,trunk and door panels for Buick,Oldsmobile and Cadillac. They had no CNC machines. They started with thick slabs of steel and hand ground them to shape using grinders and a set of blueprints.

That was how they did it back in the 50s. It’s been a long time since dies weren’t machined. Of course finishing remains the final step.

[ste1n]

Originally Posted by 6sigma

What car can I buy that is from a US-based company, manufactured in the US, that does NOT come from a UAW plant? I don't know that there is one.

The answer is Tesla.


https://teslanomics.co/tesla-most-american-car-company/

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ste1n

The answer is Tesla.


https://teslanomics.co/tesla-most-american-car-company/

True.

However, I remember having a disagreement with someone once. They said their car was not a Japanese model because it was made by American Honda. LOL

[s346k]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

I've said it in here before and I'll say it again 95% of those reading this thread wouldn't make it in a factory doing 45-60 cars an hour. Same goes for all the dealership horseshit heroes who could not make a living spinning wrenches.

the only reason any of us wouldn’t make it in a factory is because we didn’t want to. politics, drama etc. it certainly is not the workload.

edit: union = very expensive communism

[V8 Firebird]

Yep, because of Tesla effect, so they blame EV will take their jobs or cut their wage.