[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by KyleL

those guys claiming they run 10.6 with tires must have forgot they upgraded their driveshaft and swapped their stock diff for a scat pack diff, which has 3.09 gears as opposed to the 2.62 that came with the hellcats.

Those mods with tires, great prep, and some good air will definitely see 10.6-10.8 pass.

Rear gear change is definitely not required. Some swap the driveshaft as cheap insurance but its not required either. Dodge didnt neuter the Hellcat with a lot of torque management andif the DS breaks it causes many thousands of dollars in damage usually so a $1000 driveshaft is a better option. The 2016 and up driveshafts have supposedly been strengthened, however. Best Ive seen with tires is 10.62 at 128 (I think on MPH) but sure on ET.

3.09 gear is good for an additilnal 10th or two.

Look I get it. A lot of you were hoping the ZL1 would take the crown back but that just didnt happen so now its splitting hairs over tire tread pattern and three squirts from the washer bottle.

Until Chevy stops worrying about upsetting Vette owners we Camaro owners will be stuck unfortunately. Chevy knew what the competition had and plenty of time to make an adjustment and chose not to. Dodge really upset Viper owners when the Hellcat took the HP crown and no one cared about ring times or any of that. All everyone heard was 707 horse power and its pretty freaking awesome. I cant drive anywhere in the Hellcat without someone wanting to ask about it. They still ask how much HP it has even though Im sure they already know.....people just like hearing it.

Chevy had their chance and could have easily added another 60 or 70 HP to the ZL1 and been the talk of the town. How cool would that have been!? ZL1 720HP from the factory. Everyone would have gone nuts! Now the Demon is released and the bar is even higher. Seems like a serious missed opportunity for Chevy to me.

If we learn at the end of the day the ZL1 is just as fast on stock tires as it is on DRs at 650hp thats telling and it aint a good story because it will mean more intrusive work required to go any faster.

[96MrBass]

Your bias towards the HC is crazy why does it have to smash it to be successful it keeps pace in a straight line wich by the way is what the HC was built for and the ZL1 seems to win it's share of DIG races over and over. Roll racing, if that's your thing again right there so where's the big separation?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Your bias towards the HC is crazy why does it have to smash it to be successful it keeps pace in a straight line wich by the way is what the HC was built for and the ZL1 seems to win it's share of DIG races over and over. Roll racing, if that's your thing again right there so where's the big separation?

Hard to take anyone serious that wears a race suit and helmet on a lawnmower, just sayin.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Now the Demon is released and the bar is even higher. Seems like a serious missed opportunity for Chevy to me.

It seems to me you have it backward. In fact, I know you do. The Demon should be chasing the 1LE...or even the Zl1, in anything but straight line speed.

One trick pony. I'd get bored of that after ten minutes.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Hard to take anyone serious that wears a race suit and helmet on a lawnmower, just sayin.

[96MrBass]

10 second lawnmower with drag radials smoking stock ZL1's. Git you some.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

It seems to me you have it backward. In fact, I know you do. The Demon should be chasing the 1LE...or even the Zl1, in anything but straight line speed.

One trick pony. I'd get bored of that after ten minutes.

Do you really think anyone will care about any ZL1 when a Demon pulls into the local car club meet or any venue where auto enthusiast gather. I guess the ZL1 owner could run over to the crowd drawn to the Demon and yell, but my car has a "Ring Time"

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Do you really think anyone will care about any ZL1 when a Demon pulls into the local car club meet or any venue where auto enthusiast gather. I guess the ZL1 owner could run over to the crowd drawn to the Demon and yell, but my car has a "Ring Time"

Yet here you are. On a Camaro site attempting to convince us that we like the wrong car. Did you notice how little attention the Demon gets here? Its cool. Moving on...

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Do you really think anyone will care about any ZL1 when a Demon pulls into the local car club meet or any venue where auto enthusiast gather. I guess the ZL1 owner could run over to the crowd drawn to the Demon and yell, but my car has a "Ring Time"

WTF

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Your bias towards the HC is crazy why does it have to smash it to be successful it keeps pace in a straight line wich by the way is what the HC was built for and the ZL1 seems to win it's share of DIG races over and over. Roll racing, if that's your thing again right there so where's the big separation?

It's not bias. I have a Gen 6 Camaro as well, which I've mentioned a bunch of times. The Camaro is a nice car, but not on par with what Dodge is doing these days. Dodge is re-writing history with their cars. Chevy is playing it safe plain and simple. I wish Chevy would push the envelope more.

You have a lot of input on this thread and a lot of mods in you're signature, are you tracking your car? If so where? What times (laps or 1/4s)?

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

It seems to me you have it backward. In fact, I know you do. The Demon should be chasing the 1LE...or even the Zl1, in anything but straight line speed.

One trick pony. I'd get bored of that after ten minutes.

Why would Dodge need to chase a 1LE or the ZL1 on a road course with the Demon? They have everyone talking about their current product, that is on a 10 year old platform and still has the headlines. Someone at Dodge made a risky decision and it has paid off big time. The sales of Challenger went up dramatically after the announcement of the Demon as folks just want to be a part of something that big.

Now that they've pretty much conquered the horse power war, I would suspect they'll come out with something that's a road course weapon next. I just hope they leave the Challenger a lone and do it under some other moniker (Cuda? ) You didn't hear that from me

You may get bored in 10 minutes at the drag strip, but I personally wouldn't risk a $60,000 - $70,000 car on a road course. Nor would I want to deal with the upkeep costs and entry fees. I used to road race sport bikes and that was an expensive endeavor at about $600 a weekend by the time I paid for fuel, tires, entry fee, and maintenance. Road course racing a modern performance car will certainly exceed that. My friends that started off there, have since sold their modern car and gone to a $10,000 BMW that's gutted for their road course days, of which several have gotten wadded up.

It's $15 TNT at my local drag strip. My tires last several years as well as brakes. Risk to the vehicle is greatly diminished as well as there are less opportunities for an incident, still there, but diminished. I'll take that all day long.

Most won't ever take their ZL1 to the drag strip much less a road course though. They'll point at the Motor Trend article and claim how much better rounded the ZL1 is without ever finding out what it can do in their own hands. I just don't work like that as I gotta know what I can get it to do.
Same goes for most Hellcat owners I come across as well. Seems pointless to me to have such a powerful car and never see what you can do with it, but to each their own as they say.

We're way off topic but I love talking cars and their pros and cons.

One of these days I'm gonna do a video comparo of my Challenger and Camaro. It's amazing how right each manufacturer got some items while completely missing the boat on others. For example, the Hellcat has a freaking foot pedal as the parking brake LOL. The Camaro's push button is much more elegant. The Camaro digital dash has a boat load of wasted space and the graphics a bit grainy while the Hellcat's digital dash is well utilized with all kind of information in various colors and the graphics razor sharp.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Do you really think anyone will care about any ZL1 when a Demon pulls into the local car club meet or any venue where auto enthusiast gather. I guess the ZL1 owner could run over to the crowd drawn to the Demon and yell, but my car has a "Ring Time"

VIR time, Laguna Seca time, Milford Proving grounds time, etc. etc.
Better than a one trick phony. I have to take that VIR part back, the Hellcat beat the Camaro. Of course the Camaro was a six cylinder!

[Blown355]

Auto vs auto, roll race. I definately don't see the ZL1 getting walked. Looks like a drIvers race to me.

https://youtu.be/cO9185E9e_E

[Blackdevil77]

There is no right or wrong here, get whichever car you like more. If you just want a car to cruise around in comfortably on the highway with gobs of power when you want it, either will satisfy. Get whichever you like more. If you want a road course car and go to those types of tracks, the ZL1 is the better car. If you don't go to the track/road course but want the more capable track car for whatever reason (twisty back roads, bragging rights etc) get the ZL1. If you want the one with more bolt on gain potential and are all about roll racing/drag racing but don't want to go beyond bolt ons, get the Hellcat.

There is no bad choice here, they're both incredible machines.

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Rear gear change is definitely not required. Some swap the driveshaft as cheap insurance but its not required either. Dodge didnt neuter the Hellcat with a lot of torque management andif the DS breaks it causes many thousands of dollars in damage usually so a $1000 driveshaft is a better option. The 2016 and up driveshafts have supposedly been strengthened, however. Best Ive seen with tires is 10.62 at 128 (I think on MPH) but sure on ET.

3.09 gear is good for an additilnal 10th or two.

Look I get it. A lot of you were hoping the ZL1 would take the crown back but that just didnt happen so now its splitting hairs over tire tread pattern and three squirts from the washer bottle.

Until Chevy stops worrying about upsetting Vette owners we Camaro owners will be stuck unfortunately. Chevy knew what the competition had and plenty of time to make an adjustment and chose not to. Dodge really upset Viper owners when the Hellcat took the HP crown and no one cared about ring times or any of that. All everyone heard was 707 horse power and its pretty freaking awesome. I cant drive anywhere in the Hellcat without someone wanting to ask about it. They still ask how much HP it has even though Im sure they already know.....people just like hearing it.

Chevy had their chance and could have easily added another 60 or 70 HP to the ZL1 and been the talk of the town. How cool would that have been!? ZL1 720HP from the factory. Everyone would have gone nuts! Now the Demon is released and the bar is even higher. Seems like a serious missed opportunity for Chevy to me.

If we learn at the end of the day the ZL1 is just as fast on stock tires as it is on DRs at 650hp thats telling and it aint a good story because it will mean more intrusive work required to go any faster.

So that 10.62 pass was tire only? I have to say, that's very very impressive. I remember reading an article online about a guy that ran a 10.5 or 10.6 pass in his "stock power" hellcat....but did the ds and diff swap with tires to do it. I've just never heard of one going that quick on just tires, but I mean, if you get some big negative da, I'm sure it can be done.

To be honest, I don't really care if a hellcat is faster, I really like both of them but when I bought my zl1, I saw that I could get this one brand new for the same price as a 1-2 year old 10-15k mile hc....just wasn't worth it to me considering the Camaro is a more well rounded car. I still like both and if anything were to happen to this car, I'd be lying if I said I wouldnt go check out a few now that they've come down more on price.