03-16-2018, 09:43 AM | #183 |
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the base car is $300 cheaper so it wins on price
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03-16-2018, 10:00 AM | #184 |
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^^I laughed at the reliability comparo. I guess the hood erosion, oil leaks, grinding gears, ticking engines, driveline vibration, buggy infotainment system and A/C issues on the even the recent Mustangs didn't carry over. A mustang fanboy obviously wrote that article.
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03-16-2018, 10:48 AM | #185 | |
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Its just like Kia. Look at the Stinger thread alone. People are trashing Kia because of cars they built 10 years ago. The perception is that they are still junk just because of the name. The reality is that they are at the top of they came with what they are doing and have transformed into building great cars. It will take years for people to change their perception. I can memember in the early days of Toyota. Their reputation in the USA was worse than Kia. Now look at them. They have the perception of being the best, but they arent as good as the once were. The new Tacoma is a POS and everyone is still saying how great a truck they are. Better keep a spare frame on hand if you have an older one. My nephew works at a Toyota garage. They had to lease another building to set up lift just to change out rusted frames on truck. They have two mechcanics that all they do is change frames. And they make great vehicles. Haha!!! |
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03-16-2018, 11:02 AM | #186 | |
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It takes a while for negative or positive preception to dissipate. Hyundai was in the same boat as Kia, now they're seen as a solid brand. Toyota is definitely having issues, with even the Camry, but you won't see that being printed in many places. The forums tell the real story. Same with Honda. |
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Widget A sells for $100 (ATP) Widget B sells for $70 Widget A costs 80 Widget B Costs 40 In this case, B makes more per unit despite selling for less. The missing variable when it comes to the cars is we don't know the profit per car. Quote:
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03-16-2018, 11:41 AM | #188 |
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03-16-2018, 12:18 PM | #189 |
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LOL I have said it before while I do believe GM is probably making more per vehicle than Ford, we don't know. That's why I don't put much stock in the ATP's
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03-16-2018, 12:22 PM | #190 | |
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Read the article. It answers some of your questions. You obviously did not do so. Production vs. sales metrics. The proof is in the massive overflow of units sitting unsold on lots. Not a difficult concept really. Lets see. Do you believe that factories just randomly pump out X number of units based on happenstance? It's based on various factors, but most importantly - projected sales. They expected/project a certain number of sales, and make that number of units. This is not rocket science. Do you think they overproduced (and therefore had to have firesales to move units at the end of the year) because they believed they WOULDN'T sell those units? Also, please cut the strawman. Of course domestic sales are 'important'. Did I say otherwise? No, so don't be disingenuous and imply otherwise. Do you think that a full 25% of all Mustangs should be ignored because they are sold outside of the U.S.? Mustang outsold Camaro almost 10 to 1 in Europe in 2017. So you don't think Mustangs outselling 911's in Germany is relevant? GM wouldn't want to be in the same position? So do YOU have GM's profit figures for Camaro's (or Porsche's 911 profit margins)? Not ATP, Profit margins ....... No, you don't. |
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More Americans chose Camaro than Mustang or Challenger. They paid a +$5,700 premium in doing so.
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03-16-2018, 12:47 PM | #193 | |
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That to me doesn't mean its profit is higher than it's competition, that to me means internally the car is making a profit and they are hitting the mark they had internally. So while his data he mentioned said higher ATP's which we all know, the only thing he added was that the profit margin hit the required targets. Now if you want to take that as meaning the profit is higher than the competition go ahead, I personally don't see where you can draw that conclusion and be sure. And again I have said, I do believe GM is making more BUT we do not know for sure. |
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As reported, Chevy is hitting their profit target.
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03-16-2018, 01:52 PM | #195 | |
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And I totally see where your coming from. My issue is when people start throwing around ATP like it is the end all stat, bc to me without other parts its kind of like missing the rest of the equation. |
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03-16-2018, 05:13 PM | #196 |
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Yeah but from what I’ve seen, Dodge has done quit a bit of marketing for the challenger. I don’t think I’ve seen one ad for the Camaro
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