02-12-2013, 09:14 AM | #183 |
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You drive a Mustang Norm, of course you want the Camaro to be a 4 cylinder (just Kidding)
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Video of Hank Johnson asking about Guam tipping over:
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02-12-2013, 06:01 PM | #186 |
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That's EXACTLY who I was thinking of when I described the climate alarmists. These people are making decisions that affect our cars and our lives. Someone has to put a stop to this madness.
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02-12-2013, 07:48 PM | #187 |
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Bold statement there.
Would you be able to state what you think I am wrong about? Chinese auto market going to 30 million units? I've seen that from GM and from a Ford document discussing their global asperations? That having the Chinese market and an Indian market growing while ours is not? Check the data. We are well below historical volumes and eve when it recovers fully we will be no more than where we've been years ago. Wrong about the fact, yes fact, that Tar Sands require one more step to produce oil than simpl pumping out of the ground? Or that Shale requires another step again? Just curious. I've been reading reports on this for years and just wondering how they are all wrong. Or are you just being hopeful...................cuz even I hope all of this is wrong. It's just that without something strange happening a future world of cheap gas isn't likely in our future.........at least until no one uses gas anymore. Now if in the future, China discovers oil all bets are off. They just haven't yet. So how do you envision a world where oil is in much much higher demand but Canadien Tar Sands and Rocky Mountain shale somehow stay cheap?
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02-12-2013, 08:07 PM | #188 |
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We can—actually, I'm sure we will—bicker about this for weeks. Please remember that offering a high-performance version of a 4-cylinder engine with forced induction does not require you to purchase it. This would be an option granted to those who want the unique styling of a Camaro above all else.
Start thinking outside of the Camaro-Mustang-Challenger rivalry. GM is winning this rivalry now, but GM doesn't have a product to compete with some of our low-displacement import competition. An Alpha Camaro will weigh less and therefore be a perfect fit for that market with the right pricing and engine options. Camaros will still be available in the traditional V6 and V8 arrangements for the long haul in order to compete with our traditional domestic rivals and to bring enthusiasts what we expect of our favorite car. Of course, not everyone is an enthusiast. Some of these people are just customers wanting something different, and I know a lot of people that want a cool car but don't care how much power it has. A version with a 4-cylinder turbo makes sense for them. I did notice that a lot of arguments against any 4-cylinder turbo are coming from the V8 crowd. You guys are the heart and soul of high-performance GM drivers, but you are not the market for any 4-banger. Keep that in mind. If you want a 6thgen, then you'll be able to buy one with a V8, as usual. Think of the 4-cylinder model as a stepping stone to convert some ricer kids into real American performance machines. It starts with hot styling, and then they join Camaro5, and ultimately they're so enamored with how awesome Camaro enthusiasts are that they want to show up to a future Camaro5Fest with the V8 they've dreamed of owning since getting their 4-cylinder turbo. It's just something to consider.
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At the rate we are going one day workers in Chinese factories will be driving in to work in new Camaros and Mustangs, while the parking lots in American factories will be filled only with EVs and bicycles.
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Turbo 4 > v6. The naturally aspirated v6 is on the way out in my opinion. The 4s can make more torque earlier and are more flexible as far as packaging is concerned. The v6 just doesn't make as much sense anymore. A 2.5l DI turbo could easily make as much power as the current v6 with more torque and a flatter power curve while getting better fuel efficiency when out of boost. It would be very cool also if GM were to bring back the stage kits they offered on the cobalts.
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