[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Considering the Bullitt is already making 480 hp, I think that answers your question. You're talking about a 7th Gen Camaro that is still years away from maybe getting that 500 hp engine. The current gen Camaro (obviously) just started 3 years ago.

That wont be even close lol. 2019 Mustang Bullitt 12.9 quarter mile.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...contender/amp/

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Y'all said the GT* is the only one capable of beating the SS. I gave two examples where a GT beat or matched the SS times. The A10 GT is not as slow as you all are trying to make it out to be. It's just as fast as the SS. The PP1 GT, on the other hand, is slightly faster.

You were saying gt with all seasons were getting these times. I was just saying only companies that deal with the gt are getting these times on all season 235 tires. What about the real world?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

You were saying gt with all seasons were getting these times. I was just saying only companies that deal with the gt are getting these times on all season 235 tires. What about the real world?

It must be a tough pill to swallow that their PP1 480hp M6 Bullitt ran a 12.9. Then see the GT* lose to Kia during a review on an unprepped surface 3 consecutive times. Or hear comments like these:

WE DON'T LIKE How it handles, price-value equation

On the winding track, the Mustangs fell apart with poor body control and a rear end that has a mind of its own. As Angus MacKenzie puts it, "both [the Bullitt] and the convertible feel clumsy with heavy-handed nanny interventions when driven hard.
Although the Bullitt is engineered as a back-road blaster, "the ride on this car is just so awful," Christian Seabaugh said. "It's choppy and rough, even on perfectly smooth pavement."

Ouch.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

It must be a tough pill to swallow that their PP1 480hp M6 Bullitt ran a 12.9. Then see the GT* lose to Kia during a review on an unprepped surface 3 consecutive times. Or hear comments like these:

WE DON'T LIKE How it handles, price-value equation

On the winding track, the Mustangs fell apart with poor body control and a rear end that has a mind of its own. As Angus MacKenzie puts it, "both [the Bullitt] and the convertible feel clumsy with heavy-handed nanny interventions when driven hard.
Although the Bullitt is engineered as a back-road blaster, "the ride on this car is just so awful," Christian Seabaugh said. "It's choppy and rough, even on perfectly smooth pavement."

Ouch.

Something was obviously amiss with that car or the testing. 12.9 is slow for 480 hp. Even the old 435 hp Gen 2 M6 were running better than that (Motor Trend tested the 2015 GT M6 at 12.8 seconds).

The Bullitt engine is just the Gen 3 coyote GT engine with the GT350 intake manifold and throttle body with necessary tuning updates. That same setup in a GT*, as you like to say, will likely drop the 12.1 into high 11s.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Still waiting.

Waiting for what? You posted a silly video of someone racing a Mustang to times that were a full second off what every tester on the planet has run in that car. I posted other equally idiotic races demonstrating what happens when people who can’t drive attemp to race proven fast cars.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

It must be a tough pill to swallow that their PP1 480hp M6 Bullitt ran a 12.9. Then see the GT* lose to Kia during a review on an unprepped surface 3 consecutive times. Or hear comments like these:

WE DON'T LIKE How it handles, price-value equation

On the winding track, the Mustangs fell apart with poor body control and a rear end that has a mind of its own. As Angus MacKenzie puts it, "both [the Bullitt] and the convertible feel clumsy with heavy-handed nanny interventions when driven hard.
Although the Bullitt is engineered as a back-road blaster, "the ride on this car is just so awful," Christian Seabaugh said. "It's choppy and rough, even on perfectly smooth pavement."

Ouch.

Deflect all you want. The cars have been weighed and measured and the Camaro is slower. You’ll be ok.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Deflect all you want. The cars have been weighed and measured and the Camaro is slower. You’ll be ok.

Not deflecting. The non GT* is not faster than any SS. Period. No matter what your man-crush Justin or Evan say. The hallowed GT* lost real world to a Kia. Those are just the facts. It's ok. You'll get over it.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Something was obviously amiss with that car or the testing. 12.9 is slow for 480 hp. Even the old 435 hp Gen 2 M6 were running better than that (Motor Trend tested the 2015 GT M6 at 12.8 seconds).

The Bullitt engine is just the Gen 3 coyote GT engine with the GT350 intake manifold and throttle body with necessary tuning updates. That same setup in a GT*, as you like to say, will likely drop the 12.1 into high 11s.

What was amiss is it wasn't Evan driving or American Muscle or Steeda's car. It was MT. Who did not pull any punches being honest about the Mustang's performance.

Now can we stop talking about the GT*?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Considering the Bullitt is already making 480 hp, I think that answers your question. You're talking about a 7th Gen Camaro that is still years away from maybe getting that 500 hp engine. The current gen Camaro (obviously) just started 3 years ago.

I said 500 and 480 is a bit far from 500. I also said safely and reliably. Is the GT350 engine safe and reliable? Is it safe and reliable to be placed into the GT which has higher production numbers? I doubt it. NVH issues, oil consumption issues, etc all tell me that Ford is not going to be able to make a 500 HP engine that will be reliable. Even the 2nd and 3rd Gen Coyote engines have issues and they are already maxed out.

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Deflect all you want. The cars have been weighed and measured and the Camaro is slower. You’ll be ok.

Nobody said the Camaro wasn't slower. We just said that the Mustang has to be optioned specifically with specific modes and have a good driver on a good track in good conditions in order to make these hero runs. Go to a dealership and pick any Mustang GT and come out here to NJ in the middle of Summer with an average driver and then do the same with a random SS and the GT will lose. Mustangs need every condition to be matched to run the times you see the mags post. Or they need Steeda, MM&FF, and other outlets to do it. Let me tell you something, follow along any build you see MM&FF or Steeda or American Muscle do and compare your results and let me know how you do.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I said 500 and 480 is a bit far from 500. I also said safely and reliably. Is the GT350 engine safe and reliable? Is it safe and reliable to be placed into the GT which has higher production numbers? I doubt it. NVH issues, oil consumption issues, etc all tell me that Ford is not going to be able to make a 500 HP engine that will be reliable. Even the 2nd and 3rd Gen Coyote engines have issues and they are already maxed out.

Nobody said the Camaro wasn't slower. We just said that the Mustang has to be optioned specifically with specific modes and have a good driver on a good track in good conditions in order to make these hero runs. Go to a dealership and pick any Mustang GT and come out here to NJ in the middle of Summer with an average driver and then do the same with a random SS and the GT will lose. Mustangs need every condition to be matched to run the times you see the mags post. Or they need Steeda, MM&FF, and other outlets to do it. Let me tell you something, follow along any build you see MM&FF or Steeda or American Muscle do and compare your results and let me know how you do.

Been hearing about how the Coyote is maxed out since 2011. And Wnta1ss claimed the the SS was quicker than the *GT, try to keep up.

Every magazine tested the GT in optimal conditions? More horseshit excuses from LaLa land.

Car and driver corrects for weather conditions so you’re theory is horseshit and the Camaro was just slower.

You’ll be ok, you will beat a GT around a road course.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Been hearing about how the Coyote is maxed out since 2011. And Wnta1ss claimed the the SS was quicker than the *GT, try to keep up.

Every magazine tested the GT in optimal conditions? More horseshit excuses from LaLa land.

Car and driver corrects for weather conditions so you’re theory is horseshit and the Camaro was just slower.

You’ll be ok, you will beat a GT around a road course.

C&D tested the GT*. Big deal. I'm tired of talking about this. The GT* in ideal conditions is .1 faster than the SS. Every other one is slower and they all handle like crap.

Do the Mustang guys keep bringing this up because there is practically NOTHING noteworthy about the GT500? Is that the problem? So they keep bringing up the one time this whole generation (so far) that a Mustang was faster than a Camaro by .1?

And why are most of the hardcore Mustang fanboys guys that don't have a current gen Mustang? I mean I can get one right now for 28k brand new.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

C&D tested the GT*. Big deal. I'm tired of talking about this. The GT* in ideal conditions is .1 faster than the SS. Every other one is slower and they all handle like crap.

Do the Mustang guys keep bringing this up because there is practically NOTHING noteworthy about the GT500? Is that the problem? So they keep bringing up the one time this whole generation (so far) that a Mustang was faster than a Camaro by .1?

And why are most of the hardcore Mustang fanboys guys that don't have a current gen Mustang? I mean I can get one right now for 28k brand new.

Where do you get .1 from? The fastest any SS has been tested at is 12.2? GT 11.9. Be honest and call it .3

What’s left to talk about with the GT500? There are zero actual tests of the car and no actual power or weight figures.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Where do you get .1 from? The fastest any SS has been tested at is 12.2? GT 11.9. Be honest and call it .3

What’s left to talk about with the GT500? There are zero actual tests of the car and no actual power or weight figures.

11.83. But they don't count that time because it was some guy named Evan who they think tried harder with the Mustang, or something.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

11.83. But they don't count that time because it was some guy named Evan who they think tried harder with the Mustang, or something.

Even funnier is that Evan was the LS hero for years but I’ll throw that one out because he let air out of the tires