[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Sorry to disagree with you on this but...I would say it is quite possible. My friend's 15 GT with GT350 IM, OR LTs, and Paxton Novi 2200 with JLT cai at about 8 psi is making like 720 if not slightly more. I can't remember what it was at but before the JLT it was 714 to the wheels. The 18s have revised heads, a revised IM, and upgraded cams along with more compression. So I am pretty sure it can make over 800 to the wheels with that mod list...but I would be surprised if they don't have headers on it too. Anyway, I could see the 18s getting over 800 on a generous dyno. The driveshaft, axles, and engine internals are what I would worry about at those power levels.

You can disagree, you know we cool. But, I still don't buy it. That mod list was basically fueling upgrades and a charger. Nothing else. It's not putting down 840 hp. Sorry, it's just not. And you did say a key word........a generous dyno. As mentioned, I can take my true...........true 740 hp at the wheels Zl1. (And let's be honest, we all know Matt's dyno kills HP numbers, I could of gotten another 20 out of it). I can take it over to LMR's shop and he'll get me 800 to show up. Now, I can get on the net and claim a 800 hp car on stock blower. Of course, we'd all know that was crap, but that won't stop me from claiming it.

Think for a second. A stock '18 GT is base lining around what? 420 hp? If that. Adding some injectors and a charger is just not going to throw down 840 hp. It's just not. There were no other mods listed on that "made up build sheet". Now, I can understand if it had intake/headers/exhaust and a fuel power adder AND the blower, then I can buy the 840 number. It's just not happening as a stand alone bolt on and nothing else.

Now, every Mustang guy is going to claim they now have a 840 hp Mustang by just adding a charger. It's never gonna stop. haha.

Next, we are going to hear about a stock........blower only with fuel and tune hitting 1000 hp. This is fake news at it's best.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

You can disagree, you know we cool. But, I still don't buy it. That mod list was basically fueling upgrades and a charger. Nothing else. It's not putting down 840 hp. Sorry, it's just not. And you did say a key word........a generous dyno. As mentioned, I can take my true...........true 740 hp at the wheels Zl1. (And let's be honest, we all know Matt's dyno kills HP numbers, I could of gotten another 20 out of it). I can take it over to LMR's shop and he'll get me 800 to show up. Now, I can get on the net and claim a 800 hp car on stock blower. Of course, we'd all know that was crap, but that won't stop me from claiming it.

Think for a second. A stock '18 GT is base lining around what? 420 hp? If that. Adding some injectors and a charger is just not going to throw down 840 hp. It's just not. There were no other mods listed on that "made up build sheet". Now, I can understand if it had intake/headers/exhaust and a fuel power adder AND the blower, then I can buy the 840 number. It's just not happening as a stand alone bolt on and nothing else.

Now, every Mustang guy is going to claim they now have a 840 hp Mustang by just adding a charger. It's never gonna stop. haha.

Next, we are going to hear about a stock........blower only with fuel and tune hitting 1000 hp. This is fake news at it's best.

Well look at it like this. The Gen 1 Coyotes (11-14) were good for about 650 to the wheels on about 8 psi boost. The 15-17 GTs (Gen 2 Coyote engines) had upgraded heads, IM, more compression, and other upgrades. And on about 8 psi they are in the 700s. Now the Gen 3 Coyote engines are upgraded even more. 800s at anywhere between 8 and 12 psi is definitely possible along with an upgraded air intake system and exhaust. But it really depends on the blower. If the P1X is pushing somewhere around what the D1SC is pushing (or the Novi 2200) then it can make those numbers. I'm not entire sure what the P1SC was doing but I don't think it can support those numbers. So the P1X would have to be a good deal better.

To be honest, I have always been impressed by what the Coyote can do on boost...as long as it is within what the stock engine can handle. If it does turn out that these engines can handle over 800 to the wheels safely then that will be the first (and only) thing that will have impressed me about the 18s. And I would def consider getting one IF I feel like upgrading the entire car.

[kttxz06]

fk. now i have a headache dealing with you idiot Mustang blow hards. Woo saa. woo saa. K, feel better now. Where is my Clonanzapham when I need it?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

You can disagree, you know we cool. But, I still don't buy it. That mod list was basically fueling upgrades and a charger. Nothing else. It's not putting down 840 hp. Sorry, it's just not. And you did say a key word........a generous dyno. As mentioned, I can take my true...........true 740 hp at the wheels Zl1. (And let's be honest, we all know Matt's dyno kills HP numbers, I could of gotten another 20 out of it). I can take it over to LMR's shop and he'll get me 800 to show up. Now, I can get on the net and claim a 800 hp car on stock blower. Of course, we'd all know that was crap, but that won't stop me from claiming it.

Think for a second. A stock '18 GT is base lining around what? 420 hp? If that. Adding some injectors and a charger is just not going to throw down 840 hp. It's just not. There were no other mods listed on that "made up build sheet". Now, I can understand if it had intake/headers/exhaust and a fuel power adder AND the blower, then I can buy the 840 number. It's just not happening as a stand alone bolt on and nothing else.

Now, every Mustang guy is going to claim they now have a 840 hp Mustang by just adding a charger. It's never gonna stop. haha.

Next, we are going to hear about a stock........blower only with fuel and tune hitting 1000 hp. This is fake news at it's best.

the car went 142mph on video with a slip...its making 800ish wheel. you can doubt the mod list but claiming the HP # is made up is just silly.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well look at it like this. The Gen 1 Coyotes (11-14) were good for about 650 to the wheels on about 8 psi boost. The 15-17 GTs (Gen 2 Coyote engines) had upgraded heads, IM, more compression, and other upgrades. And on about 8 psi they are in the 700s. Now the Gen 3 Coyote engines are upgraded even more. 800s at anywhere between 8 and 12 psi is definitely possible along with an upgraded air intake system and exhaust. But it really depends on the blower. If the P1X is pushing somewhere around what the D1SC is pushing (or the Novi 2200) then it can make those numbers. I'm not entire sure what the P1SC was doing but I don't think it can support those numbers. So the P1X would have to be a good deal better.

To be honest, I have always been impressed by what the Coyote can do on boost...as long as it is within what the stock engine can handle. If it does turn out that these engines can handle over 800 to the wheels safely then that will be the first (and only) thing that will have impressed me about the 18s. And I would def consider getting one IF I feel like upgrading the entire car.

Well, considering their drive shafts can't handle load, I doubt they'll be able to make a legit pass at 840 hp. haha. I'm with ya, I just don't buy it. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. You can't just throw a blower on a car, add some injectors and nothing else and blamo............840 hp. Not on a motor that base lines at around 400 hp.

Dude, you can't even take a stock Zl1 and add a Whipple to it, crank it up and get 840 hp. By just adding the Whipple. Anyhow, moving on. This is some more Mustang6 fake news shit.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the car went 142mph on video with a slip...its making 800ish wheel. you can doubt the mod list but claiming the HP # is made up is just silly.

See, now we are making head way. I can claim the HP# is bs from the mod list. That's all. I'm not saying it's impossible to make 840 hp cus I know it is possible. But, with just injectors and a blower. Nope. Sorry. Not that easy to just pull 840 hp out your ass. That's all my point is. I'm not saying 840 isn't doable cus honestly, that ain't shit. But, with that mod list, they are leaving alot of mods out. That I can bet on. I can bet you there is either E85/Meth/NOS/. Headers for sure. No way are they getting that exhaust out with stock headers. Anyhow..........where is the video? I'm curious now. Was it on stock tires? I doubt it was. So, that was conveniently left out. Since we've seen videos of low HP Mustangs dropping their drivetrains on the track, we def know that was upgraded as well to handle the load. Def some major tuning going on. That wasn't listed.

That's the difference. I don't claim my hp numbers out my ass. I showed and proved my build as I kept climbing the ladder.

They spent hours, HOURS tuning. That I can bet on. There's just alot of shit left out that's all.

That's like me hitting my # mark, then telling everyone..........hey, all it took was injectors and a Whipple. Us Camaro guys know that would be complete BS.

[kttxz06]

Please tell me ya'll aren't talking about the Hellion dyno video? That's a fkn twin kit on 108 octane. Jeezus fkn christ you Mustang guys. Hahahahaha, it's just a blower with injectors. GTFO with that shit. I'm doubled over laughing my ass off. It's just a blower and injectors. They forgot to tell everyone it's a twin turbo set up with bascially fkn race gas. hahahahahahahaha. Stop it. I love it how...............the details are always left out.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Well, considering their drive shafts can't handle load, I doubt they'll be able to make a legit pass at 840 hp. haha. I'm with ya, I just don't buy it. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. You can't just throw a blower on a car, add some injectors and nothing else and blamo............840 hp. Not on a motor that base lines at around 400 hp.

Dude, you can't even take a stock Zl1 and add a Whipple to it, crank it up and get 840 hp. By just adding the Whipple. Anyhow, moving on. This is some more Mustang6 fake news shit.

I can't believe I of all people am sticking up for the Mustang...lol! I'm gonna be sick for weeks...

I doubt the stock driveshaft and axles will hold up to that much power doing an aggressive launch on slicks. And for now I have to express doubts that the actual engine will hold up to that kind of power. But I seriously do believe they can make that kind of power on 10 psi. Remember, the 18s have a larger cylinder bore, larger valves, improved cylinder heads, a new intake manifold, upgraded cam, and the compression ratio is up by almost 1 full point as compared to the 15-17 Coyote engines. And the 15-17s were easily making over 700 with that kind of boost and with LTs/IM/other shit. All of the Gen 3 upgrades can make up about 100 hp difference when 10 psi of boost is added in.

And we can't compare them to our LT4s even if a Whipple is thrown in because (I can't believe I'm about to say this)...the LT4 doesn't flow as well as the Coyotes. We're limited by the cam and heads whereas the 5.0 DOHC engines have always flowed extremely well. Their cams are soo good that they consider it a waste of money to go with aftermarket cams. You'd be surprised at what they can make on boost. It's just a matter of them not being able to handle the power they can make.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

I can bet you there is either E85/Meth/NOS/. Headers for sure.

Ok this is where the mixup is, lol!! They are on E85. It says so right in the description.

"The prime mover under the hood of this E85-burning 2018..."

It doesn't specify if they have LTs or not but I'm with you that they would need LTs to get to that number. It does say deleted cats so I am sure they have LTs also.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I can't believe I of all people am sticking up for the Mustang...lol! I'm gonna be sick for weeks...

I doubt the stock driveshaft and axles will hold up to that much power doing an aggressive launch on slicks. And for now I have to express doubts that the actual engine will hold up to that kind of power. But I seriously do believe they can make that kind of power on 10 psi. Remember, the 18s have a larger cylinder bore, larger valves, improved cylinder heads, a new intake manifold, upgraded cam, and the compression ratio is up by almost 1 full point as compared to the 15-17 Coyote engines. And the 15-17s were easily making over 700 with that kind of boost and with LTs/IM/other shit. All of the Gen 3 upgrades can make up about 100 hp difference when 10 psi of boost is added in.

And we can't compare them to our LT4s even if a Whipple is thrown in because (I can't believe I'm about to say this)...the LT4 doesn't flow as well as the Coyotes. We're limited by the cam and heads whereas the 5.0 DOHC engines have always flowed extremely well. Their cams are soo good that they consider it a waste of money to go with aftermarket cams. You'd be surprised at what they can make on boost. It's just a matter of them not being able to handle the power they can make.

Yea, unfortunately I know cus I'm capped out. I have to cam next to get me into the 800 range. But, for now, I'll have fun fkng with these so called...........holy grail Mustangs. I have yet to roll up on one that has beat me so. We'll see what happens when Tx2k rolls around cus I'm going hunting for sure. I'll be cammed by then. Should be enough to hang with MOST of the roll racers. I'll make sure I stay away from anything that has UGR on it. haha.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok this is where the mixup is, lol!! They are on E85. It says so right in the description.

"The prime mover under the hood of this E85-burning 2018..."

It doesn't specify if they have LTs or not but I'm with you that they would need LTs to get to that number. It does say deleted cats so I am sure they have LTs also.

Ah, okay. I'm lost now. Must of over looked it. Is this the Hellion car we are talking about cus that's a twin set up. And fkn impressive I might add. The Hellion car wasn't E85 so, must be another car then.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Ah, okay. I'm lost now. Must of over looked it. Is this the Hellion car we are talking about cus that's a twin set up. And fkn impressive I might add. The Hellion car wasn't E85 so, must be another car then.

Haha, no. It is not the Hellion car. This one has the Procharger P1X blower on it. I looked up more info on it and it is E85, has cat deletes but the stock exhaust manifolds, the upgraded (stage 2) intercooler, and an upgraded BOV.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Haha, no. It is not the Hellion car. This one has the Procharger P1X blower on it. I looked up more info on it and it is E85, has cat deletes but the stock exhaust manifolds, the upgraded (stage 2) intercooler, and an upgraded BOV.

So, it wasn't.............hey, we added a blower and got 840 hp then. They always leave out the details. And let's not forget about a pretty aggressive tune as well.

As mentioned, I could push what I have right now to close to 800 hp, then post up..........it was just an intake and exhaust. haha.

I'm throwing everything I have at the stock blower right now. That's the difference between my claims. I admit what I have to the fullest. Just wish these Mustang ass clowns would quit going to my videos saying..........oh yea, we just added a blower and got 840 hp. smh. Anyhow, I can get down with those mods putting those numbers up now that we know it wasn't..................just a blower mod. Alright, I can now officially go live my life now and move on from these treacherous trolls.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

So, it wasn't.............hey, we added a blower and got 840 hp then. They always leave out the details. And let's not forget about a pretty aggressive tune as well.

As mentioned, I could push what I have right now to close to 800 hp, then post up..........it was just an intake and exhaust. haha.

I'm throwing everything I have at the stock blower right now. That's the difference between my claims. I admit what I have to the fullest. Just wish these Mustang ass clowns would quit going to my videos saying..........oh yea, we just added a blower and got 840 hp. smh. Anyhow, I can get down with those mods putting those numbers up now that we know it wasn't..................just a blower mod. Alright, I can now officially go live my life now and move on from these treacherous trolls.

Yea that list was suspect. They say it is the H.O. kit but failed to mention that they upgraded it to the stage 2 intercooler. They didn't mention E85 in the list or how much boost it was on. And I'm certain it was a race tune and not the DD tune which was probably dialed back. They should have provided more details especially since they claim they drove it an hour and a half to the track and then back home. I'm curious as to how they did all that with 846 hp and ran 9s with transmission issues...