03-21-2024, 10:38 PM | #1863 |
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I’m still patiently awaiting the arrival of the new GM truck 6thgen V8 engines that’s been developed with improved performance and emissions that share some similarities to the Z06’s engine but not everything.
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03-22-2024, 01:16 AM | #1864 | ||
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If V8's can get modest plug-in miles empty that also work as a hybrid for towing, that's gravy. If truck economy is the goal, they should look at segment creating, using a new Voltec in the Ridgeline's size. Something that could look like a '67-'72. The use experience is a big factor. The 5.7 Ram is more satisfying than the 5.3 GM, even though it's easily worse on fuel and isn't faster by feel. It kicks down and roars readily. Turbo motors spooling and are "rrrRRR pSSS" sound like they're holding back Tourette's from South Park: |
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03-22-2024, 07:43 AM | #1865 | ||
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03-22-2024, 08:31 AM | #1866 | |
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You gotta be kidding me. How about AC or electric windows? Is this the 70s again? Others like Toyota have a good amount standard on all their cars but what, pay $5000 to get a backup cam and emergency braking and adaptive cruise control and blind spot monitoring? I did look at a Challenger ICE and quickly ruled it out for those reasons. If the big 3 want to stay competitive... well they don't. IDK why people even look at them except work vehicles. It's a waste of time. Not to mention they say they are marking up the Mavericks over MSRP. The dealerless business model is a winner! In the Ridgeline I attached a pic of STANDARD features on their cheapest Sport model. Last edited by silversleeper; 03-22-2024 at 08:45 AM. |
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03-22-2024, 10:25 AM | #1867 |
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Fiat 500e is going back to combustion engine.
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03-22-2024, 11:10 AM | #1868 |
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A subtle size down is better for gaining capability, has lower expectations for towing economy. A Grand Cherokee is a more occasional tow-er. I expect the Pentastar is going to work hard in the Ramcharger, converting to electricity and back to motion.
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03-24-2024, 04:12 AM | #1869 |
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Not quite. The "old" Fiat 500 doesnt meet EU cybersecurity standards anymore, so going forward they are using the chassis that has so far only been offered with EV powerplant, Porsche Macan and Cayman are both going to the chopping block too
>60% of Fiat 500s sold in Europe are already full EV, this is only going to increase with the new model. |
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03-24-2024, 09:36 AM | #1871 | |
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I'm OK with driving vehicles to 100k. After that it's time for a new one if for nothing else than boredom. Someone else can take the old one off my hands. Speaking of which, Stella just took a seat at the table with the other automakers in the CARB pact. |
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03-24-2024, 09:51 AM | #1872 |
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When it comes to Fiat engines, remember that they use the same engineering talent that develops Ferrari and Alfa Romeo engines. Both brands are known for their performance. Not so much for their durability. Time will tell whether the North American team that developed and manufactured the much more robust Hemi and PentaStar engines help improve that leg of the stool.
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I just watched a segment on the Ultium-based Honda Prologue. Very nice. I still think I'd prefer an AWD Blazer EV. I'd expect (prefer?) GM to continue on with the small-blocks in its full-size trucks. What's interesting to me with Stellantis and the Hemi... it's really, actually, cheaper to develop and certify a new engine than update and certify the existing Hemi to be compliant? Don't get me wrong, the I6 offers a lot more power, but it also seems like they're shutting out a lot of buyers who would actually prefer the Hemi. |
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03-24-2024, 11:24 AM | #1874 | |
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03-24-2024, 11:58 AM | #1875 | |
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Slightly off topic, but a while back, GM had the Atlas series of engines. Inline 4, 5, and 6 cylinders, good economy. Amazing power for the time (270hp in the new-for-2002 Trailblazer). The 5-cylinder version was a little weird in a midsize truck, but I recall the later 3.7 variant of the 5-cylinder as quite good. I also recall GM's "High Value" series of engines being somewhat of a flash. 3.5/3.9 are the two I remember. Just...poof. One day they disappeared (from the perspective of a consumer). What happened to all of those? Is Atlas DNA present in anything current? Did the High Value line become the High Feature series (3.6)? |
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03-24-2024, 12:31 PM | #1876 | |
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The High Value V6 was the everywhere engine for GM for a long time. It was based on the old 2.8L V6 and came in variations of 3.1, 3.3, 3.5, and 3.9L versions. It was pretty much milquetoast. Not bad, not great. It just did its job and was often positioned to be the base engine with the High Feature V6 or Small Block V8 being the uplevel optional engine. As the EcoTec 4 cylinder engines got better and better there was just no room for the HVV6. The EcoTecs were more powerful, got better fuel economy (at least on the sticker) and had much better NVH. So the HVV6 was phased out and the EcoTec became base in a lot of products with HFV6 and Small Block V8 set up as uplevel options.
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