[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

the sooner the better. I want my first electric pony car to be matured a bit and i dont plan on needing to replace my 2016 for another 5-10 years. so if it's been out for like 4-5+ years by the time i go to buy it ...awesome.


2 second 0-60 times and sub 10 second quarter miles and low center of gravity for excellent cornering ...and the ability to have that kind of performance when i want it without including an exhaust that attracts the attention of cops when i'm just putzing around parking lots. Yes.

bonus points if the motor and motor controller is modular (crate-ish style) - opening up aftermarket options that totally destroy the warranty. Assuming hell froze over and they dont lock everything down with proprietary non-standard stuff and encrypted communications.

They will do it for sure.

You’re not buying the car at that point, you’re paying for the privilege to use it.

The other part that is being instituted is going to be IFTA type record keeping for everyone to compensate for road taxes. It would be much easier to just tax additional electric usages, but that’s not at all what it’s really about.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

the sooner the better. I want my first electric pony car to be matured a bit and i dont plan on needing to replace my 2016 for another 5-10 years. so if it's been out for like 4-5+ years by the time i go to buy it ...awesome.


2 second 0-60 times and sub 10 second quarter miles and low center of gravity for excellent cornering ...and the ability to have that kind of performance when i want it without including an exhaust that attracts the attention of cops when i'm just putzing around parking lots. Yes.

bonus points if the motor and motor controller is modular (crate-ish style) - opening up aftermarket options that totally destroy the warranty. Assuming hell froze over and they dont lock everything down with proprietary non-standard stuff and encrypted communications.

The naive mistake you're making is you extrapolate the current model of vehicle ownership and driving arrangements onto the new technology. If only the goal were to enhance the driving experience or even to "save the planet".

You will not really drive that car anymore. It will be a remote controlled appliance that can be disabled, limited or even fully managed from the mothership "for your safety", and you will no longer have a say. Tesla turning off supercharging capability remotely because you "modified" or restored an "unsafe" car was just the beginning. Say hello to remote speed and acceleration limiters, stop sign mandators, insurance policies based on obsessively detailed driver performance metrics etc. The reason you have 2-second 0-60 times is because no one cares yet, once the health hazard lawsuits start flowing in, the next federally mandated software update will all of a sudden cut that back to 4.x seconds.

Aftermarket modifications? Come on, the 2020 Camaro already has a transmission control module that cannot be unlocked anymore. You bet everything will be encrypted. Of course, just because we can do something it doesn't mean we should, but it's going to be a heck of a battle to rise against the tide of "inevitability" that many envisage even here, which it really isn't, but people would need to believe that first.

Alas, this isn't really about technology anymore. For the record, I wouldn't mind a low cost EV for city driving and as a grocery getter if I knew it was my own car that I paid for and I have the freedom to decide what to do with. Even then, prices would need to come down first.

[Petrol Head]

I think I’ll be buying like-new classic cars once this happens. 2035 is 14 years from now. I’ll be 57. At 59 1/2 I can start withdrawing my 403b. Perfect time to buy a fully restored, mint condition 1970 Camaro SS 396 4 speed split bumper and make some creature comfort modifications to make it an everyday driver. I’ve been thinking even all the loopy technology in my 2019 has me thinking about an all analog car. Sure I won’t be able to adjust my suspension settings at the push of a button or have 8 air bags in case of an accident but this whole thread has me re-evaluating my priorities.

[Silveradoss573]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

I think I’ll be buying like-new classic cars once this happens. 2035 is 14 years from now. I’ll be 57. At 59 1/2 I can start withdrawing my 403b. Perfect time to buy a fully restored, mint condition 1970 Camaro SS 396 4 speed split bumper and make some creature comfort modifications to make it an everyday driver. I’ve been thinking even all the loopy technology in my 2019 has me thinking about an all analog car. Sure I won’t be able to adjust my suspension settings at the push of a button or have 8 air bags in case of an accident but this whole thread has me re-evaluating my priorities.

Agree with this 1000%! Over a hundred years worth of older cars and trucks out there for me to choose from if need be. GM can take run the whole company into the ground as far as I'm concerned.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

The naive mistake you're making is you extrapolate the current model of vehicle ownership and driving arrangements onto the new technology. If only the goal were to enhance the driving experience or even to "save the planet".

You will not really drive that car anymore. It will be a remote controlled appliance that can be disabled, limited or even fully managed from the mothership "for your safety", and you will no longer have a say. Tesla turning off supercharging capability remotely because you "modified" or restored an "unsafe" car was just the beginning. Say hello to remote speed and acceleration limiters, stop sign mandators, insurance policies based on obsessively detailed driver performance metrics etc. The reason you have 2-second 0-60 times is because no one cares yet, once the health hazard lawsuits start flowing in, the next federally mandated software update will all of a sudden cut that back to 4.x seconds.

Aftermarket modifications? Come on, the 2020 Camaro already has a transmission control module that cannot be unlocked anymore. You bet everything will be encrypted. Of course, just because we can do something it doesn't mean we should, but it's going to be a heck of a battle to rise against the tide of "inevitability" that many envisage even here, which it really isn't, but people would need to believe that first.

Alas, this isn't really about technology anymore. For the record, I wouldn't mind a low cost EV for city driving and as a grocery getter if I knew it was my own car that I paid for and I have the freedom to decide what to do with. Even then, prices would need to come down first.

I looked all over for it and cannot find it.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Silveradoss573

Agree with this 1000%! Over a hundred years worth of older cars and trucks out there for me to choose from if need be. GM can take run the whole company into the ground as far as I'm concerned.

Yep. I don’t need to buy a brand new car when there’s plenty of great old cars like new if you know what you’re looking for for the same price.

GM obviously don’t need us as customers anymore.

[TTown918]

The internal combustion engine Camaro is deader than a doornail and won't exist as a next gen (other than perhaps as an all electric). Period.

[TTown918]

Originally Posted by samurai

Oh man, all these people who believe the clickbait headlines. Pure sales numbers over all options <> Profit! Only the carmakers can tell which car is profitable and which is not, since it all depends on which models and equipment are you selling with how much incentives and how much money you spend on other costs for the car like marketing and developing new models.
e.g. how much Mustangs does Ford have to sell to get back the costs of developing the 2nd 6th Gen refresh this year?

For the 7th Gen Camaro, who is still coming contrary to other clickbait articles, it's pretty sure that Chevy will offfer ICO, Hybrid and EV options - Just take a look at the latest customer surves. Take look at the GM press release to the new EV platform, where they mention the same "3.0s to 60mph" and an AWD option for a performance EV model.

So I'm pretty sure an EV Camaro is coming. Not as a replacement, but in addition to the other engine options like it should be. And I can't imagine that they really will wait 5 years to reveal this

No chance in hell GM is going to spend the time or dollars to make a 7th Gen Camaro three different ways - ICE, hybrid and all electric.

[MR's 2SS]

[QUOTE=arpad_m;10945651]The naive mistake you're making is you extrapolate the current model of vehicle ownership and driving arrangements onto the new technology. If only the goal were to enhance the driving experience or even to "save the planet".

You will not really drive that car anymore. It will be a remote controlled appliance that can be disabled, limited or even fully managed from the mothership "for your safety", and you will no longer have a say. Tesla turning off supercharging capability remotely because you "modified" or restored an "unsafe" car was just the beginning. Say hello to remote speed and acceleration limiters, stop sign mandators, insurance policies based on obsessively detailed driver performance metrics etc. The reason you have 2-second 0-60 times is because no one cares yet, once the health hazard lawsuits start flowing in, the next federally mandated software update will all of a sudden cut that back to 4.x seconds.

Yes.. all that...

And when the old gas jobs are being maintained and held onto by "extremists"... the gas will be 20 bucks a gallon or whatever it takes so working people cant afford to drive them.. clunker laws will "buy back" your well loved and maintained personal possessions for pennies on the dollar to be crushed along with any possible arms you might have had in case you came to the conclusion you wanted freedom.
Im thinking my old Shovelhead will run even after an EMP... carbureted capable of running with only 3 wires... although it has a "Pointless electronic ignition" which may or may not survive... But no computerized anything. And the only way to keep me from driving it would be cut off the fuel supply.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Yep. I don’t need to buy a brand new car when there’s plenty of great old cars like new if you know what you’re looking for for the same price.

GM obviously don’t need us as customers anymore.

Get woke, go broke.

[genxer]

6th Gen versus Model 3 weight seems to be about a (correction) 200-400 lb difference (33xx to 35xx base, 36xx 1SS to 40xx mid 3, 38xx ZLE to 40xx top 3). And yeah, everyone realizes there's no awd Camaro, but it's wider. There was an earlier post calling them equal.

Tires to hide handling mass is a dirty trick.

[ModernCamaroZ28Fan]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

The naive mistake you're making is you extrapolate the current model of vehicle ownership and driving arrangements onto the new technology. If only the goal were to enhance the driving experience or even to "save the planet".

You will not really drive that car anymore. It will be a remote controlled appliance that can be disabled, limited or even fully managed from the mothership "for your safety", and you will no longer have a say. Tesla turning off supercharging capability remotely because you "modified" or restored an "unsafe" car was just the beginning. Say hello to remote speed and acceleration limiters, stop sign mandators, insurance policies based on obsessively detailed driver performance metrics etc. The reason you have 2-second 0-60 times is because no one cares yet, once the health hazard lawsuits start flowing in, the next federally mandated software update will all of a sudden cut that back to 4.x seconds.

Aftermarket modifications? Come on, the 2020 Camaro already has a transmission control module that cannot be unlocked anymore. You bet everything will be encrypted. Of course, just because we can do something it doesn't mean we should, but it's going to be a heck of a battle to rise against the tide of "inevitability" that many envisage even here, which it really isn't, but people would need to believe that first.

Alas, this isn't really about technology anymore. For the record, I wouldn't mind a low cost EV for city driving and as a grocery getter if I knew it was my own car that I paid for and I have the freedom to decide what to do with. Even then, prices would need to come down first.

You made it sound like the apocalypse is coming, not saying that I don't believe you.

[Nothing like an SS]

Originally Posted by ModernCamaroZ28Fan

You made it sound like the apocalypse is coming, not saying that I don't believe you.

Mad Max? Fire up the Holden!!!!

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Nothing like an SS

Mad Max? Fire up the Holden!!!!

I sold mine