[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Even without China, Buick would still be a better proposition than Pontiac. It's a mid-luxury brand which commands higher ATPs and translates into better profitability.

Pontiac sold unprofitable rebadged Chevrolets. G6s were relegated to rental fleet queen status, G3 and G5 were jokes, and let's not even begin to talk about the Torrent.

Like I said, the entire concept of Pontiac is shoveling money into a pit and lighting it on fire.

Much like Ford axing Mercury imo. There was not enough to justify a difference.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Even without China, Buick would still be a better proposition than Pontiac. It's a mid-luxury brand which commands higher ATPs and translates into better profitability.

Pontiac sold unprofitable rebadged Chevrolets. G6s were relegated to rental fleet queen status, G3 and G5 were jokes, and let's not even begin to talk about the Torrent.

Like I said, the entire concept of Pontiac is shoveling money into a pit and lighting it on fire.

Yep, I see a Buick on every street in the neighborhood. NOT! You can't blame redundancy on a name but on the bean counters who caused it. GM completley lost their way once they began swapping engines from one brand to the next. The ls is the exception as it appears to have had alot of money poured into it. Sorry, I couldn't tell the difference between a Buick or Hyundai or Honda on the freeway if I tried. Just obstacles in traffic to me. Many decades ago Buick built a Grand National which is easily distinguishable from other brands. That was an anomoly for Buick other than the few mid/late 60's A body stuff.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Yep, I see a Buick on every street in the neighborhood. NOT! You can't blame redundancy on a name but on the bean counters who caused it. GM completley lost their way once they began swapping engines from one brand to the next. The ls is the exception as it appears to have had alot of money poured into it. Sorry, I couldn't tell the difference between a Buick or Hyundai or Honda on the freeway if I tried. Just obstacles in traffic to me. Many decades ago Buick built a Grand National which is easily distinguishable from other brands. That was an anomoly for Buick other than the few mid/late 60's A body stuff.

GM had nothing to do with that, it was the entire industry. Ford did the same with Mercury and Lincoln. Chrysler did the same with Dodge, Jeep, and Plymouth. Ford axed Mercury, Chrysler axed Plymouth all for the similar reasons GM killed Saturn and Pontiac. You are making points that apply throughout the automotive world. Companies want to turn a profit. R&D costs have grown exponentially since the 70's thanks to emissions and safety standards. I know where you are coming from, but honestly things will not change. No use reminiscing about the good ole days.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Yep, I see a Buick on every street in the neighborhood. NOT! You can't blame redundancy on a name but on the bean counters who caused it. GM completley lost their way once they began swapping engines from one brand to the next. The ls is the exception as it appears to have had alot of money poured into it. Sorry, I couldn't tell the difference between a Buick or Hyundai or Honda on the freeway if I tried. Just obstacles in traffic to me. Many decades ago Buick built a Grand National which is easily distinguishable from other brands. That was an anomoly for Buick other than the few mid/late 60's A body stuff.

Live in the past if you want. Those days are over and done with. Much like Pontiac, thank god.

[Angrybird 12]

I always though the last few years of the Trans Am they got to looking kind of Cartoonish and like an old Sikorsky Helicopter in the front.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Yep, I see a Buick on every street in the neighborhood. NOT! You can't blame redundancy on a name but on the bean counters who caused it. GM completley lost their way once they began swapping engines from one brand to the next. The ls is the exception as it appears to have had alot of money poured into it. Sorry, I couldn't tell the difference between a Buick or Hyundai or Honda on the freeway if I tried. Just obstacles in traffic to me. Many decades ago Buick built a Grand National which is easily distinguishable from other brands. That was an anomoly for Buick other than the few mid/late 60's A body stuff.

You must be forgetting how close a Monte Carlo and Regal looked in the mid 80s

Originally Posted by HuJass

If GM had differentiated Pontiac enough from the other brands, and kept it's performance image from the '60s and early '70s, Pontiac would have been successful.

GM's actions ruined Pontiac.

No not really. Customers lack of spending caused GM to have less money to spend on differ testimony leading to even fewer customers.

Pontiac like Oldsmobile had its time in the sun..........and it set.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You must be forgetting how close a Monte Carlo and Regal looked in the mid 80s

Plus the Cutlass and Grand Prix. The joys of badge engineering.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You must be forgetting how close a Monte Carlo and Regal looked in the mid 80s



No not really. Customers lack of spending caused GM to have less money to spend on differ testimony leading to even fewer customers.

Pontiac like Oldsmobile had its time in the sun..........and it set.

The Grand Prix, Olds Cutlass, Monte Carlo and Buick Regal (Grand National) were practically the same car with different grills and tail lights... Even the interiors were almost the same.

[FenwickHockey65]

Lest we forget...

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Lest we forget...

The beginning of the front wheel drive American cars.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Renamed as a Buick it would sell like hotcakes in China.

Or tweak it and rename it the Chevrolet Equinox and it will sell like hotcakes in America. Remeber, while the Aztec was a failure, the concept it brought forth a.k.a. "crossover" has become among the leading selling type of vehicle across the globe.

[DGthe3]

Does everyone who has mentioned a 'Buick Aztec' forget that it already exists, and its called the Rendezvous?

[FenwickHockey65]

And was waaay better received than the Aztek.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Does everyone who has mentioned a 'Buick Aztec' forget that it already exists, and its called the Rendezvous?

Shhh don't confuse them with the facts... Let the haters hate....