02-07-2024, 03:12 AM | #1667 | |
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1. Yes, we pay more for power than the USA. We have for the entire 45 years Ive been alive, but this war you may have heard about in Ukraine made energy rates go crazy. We also pay roughly 100% more for gas which means relatively speaking we are actually better off using electricity to power vehicles. 2. Any economic decline is more a consequence of aforementioned war, Brexit (this is going REALLY well), Covid and corrupt/incompetent government - its estimated our government wasted £100bn over the past 4 years. This is not an EV or even a net zero issue. 3. The countries that provide our outsourced power (interconnectors) also use renewable sources, generally at a greater ratio than we do. 4. The blue part of the breakdown is nuclear and biomass. These are still clean power generation methods. The numbers Ive been quoting are accurate. 5. The above info is all freely available if you actually want to find it. 6. I think every other post Ive made has included the phrase "EVs are not for everyone". Nowhere, here or anywhere else have I told people they should be driving EVs, Ive just corrected some misconceptions and given some personal experience. Like Ive done in this post as well. If I post about my Z28s power output or the last laptime I got an Nurburgring I dont get people telling me Im a liar so theres obviously something deeper here, a prejudice if you like. One final thing: I totally get your point about not wanting to pay for EVs if youre not using them, fair play. If you accept that cleaner air, improved health and less reliance on fossil fuels are good things is it not the same as how you fund medical research, unemployment benefit or food assistance? Even if you dont have children how much of your tax goes on schools? You might not benefit directly but these things make the world a nicer place to live in. |
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02-07-2024, 08:09 AM | #1668 |
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Some news to add to EV in California hitting a plateau, I picked a lesser inflammatory version of the first: https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240104000634
"In the January-November period of 2023, Korea sold a record 254,258 hybrid cars, growing 54.7 percent from a year earlier, while EV sales dipped 7.9 percent to 107,453 units, according to data from the Korea Automobile Manufacturers Association." https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/31/b...AWMqB0bWw4uINw "The Biden administration is classifying some of the country’s most elite and exclusive locales as “low-income” areas, making them eligible for electric vehicle (EV) charger subsidy programs." |
02-07-2024, 08:56 AM | #1669 |
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I see a Malibu as something people pay typical Civic, a size down, prices for. So that makes the auto journalist trick of hyping up costly specification (that just happens to coincide with the regulatory push) a massive disservice.
Even before one gets to which asset you'd want to use to carry what distance for what speed... there's easy to spot low-value price-adders in that quoted Motortrend article: dohc engine for low rpm, picking cell chemistry for power density, rare-earth magnet rotors. Vehicle choice boils down to a values and value stances. I see a lot of the 'anti' types on the site as being correctly against machine prejudice. I don't want to see trucks programmed to be stuck on the roadside because a def heater crapped out - the vehicle pollution war needs to be over. |
02-07-2024, 01:13 PM | #1670 |
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02-07-2024, 04:12 PM | #1671 |
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Political posts can get you time in the penalty box.
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02-17-2024, 07:16 PM | #1672 |
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Just a couple of updates on how things are going in EV-world...
http://https://www.team-bhp.com/news...p-50-19-months https://jalopnik.com/why-tesla-cyber...-of-1851257091 https://electrek.co/2024/02/15/tesla...e-calculation/ |
02-19-2024, 07:58 PM | #1673 |
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EV's....Yep...its a Bust.
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02-19-2024, 10:48 PM | #1674 | |
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January 2022: just over 40,000 EVs sold. Full year 2022 was 809,700 January 2023: just under 80,000 EVs sold. Full year 2023 was 1.2M January 2024: 106,803 EVs sold. Full year is projected to be just under 2 million. For those willing to let facts get in the way of a good story, here's some actual sales data. The chart below is included in the linked article. I just placed the red dot to show where January 2024 EV sales would show on the chart. https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/13...h-of-the-year/ What is slowing down is the RATE of sales growth, not actual sales. Sales continue to grow, just at a slower rate.
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02-19-2024, 11:08 PM | #1675 |
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Just for giggles, here's how the sales break out by brand for January 2024:
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Probably true. I hope to never find out. Definitely true. This was also true of Audis for several years when they switched to aluminum panels. Funny thing though, people tend to learn what is important and profitable. No longer a problem getting body work done on Audis. Yet to be seen. The only reason would be vehicle mass. Most full-size trucks weigh a lot more than my Model Y. Don't hear complaints about frequent tire replacement from full-size truck owners. The industry knows how to make long-lasting tires for heavy vehicles. Now, if we're talking Hummers and Cybertrucks and other stupidly heavy vehicles, those are niche and the buyers get what they deserve. Meanwhile, my Camaro goes through tires much faster than our Volt did and I expect that will be the same in comparison to the Model Y. Our second Volt and my Camaro were both bought in 2017. From day of purchase to the day the Volt got totaled I replaced tires on the Camaro twice. I never replaced tires on the Volt. The Volt had a lot more miles on it. Matter of fact, ordering new tires for the Camaro today. And the funny thing here is I actually keep two sets of wheels and tires in rotation for that car. Hopefully switching to Contis will slow my turnover rate. Okay
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Well if the price WAS so high it could be profitable, you see that in mining where it is deep or the deposit has small amounts per ton of rock that has to be processed, like gold, when prices are very high its worth it and low its a money loser. So I did the homework finding a chart of lithium prices, yep as expected, looks like a good idea from a few years back and the rocketing prices that could go sky high. now, not so much. IDK what your point was but thats my two cents. Quote:
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02-22-2024, 09:57 AM | #1678 |
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Yup, next up: Hydrogen! ...with little or no consideration of how much pollution, net energy expended, environmental impact, or cost it takes to separate it from water molecules at scale. as long as the tailpipe emissions get to zero and we can virtue signal. We'll legislate/regulate/subsidize the market to prosperity, or something.
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02-22-2024, 10:03 AM | #1679 |
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Martin do you think Rivian and Lucid have any chance at sticking around? It sure seems like they are just burning money, losing it left and right. I saw Rivian is laying of 10% of it's workforce and the stock is down.
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02-22-2024, 10:25 AM | #1680 | |
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