[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by camaro5

So you believe they're running the test mules around to test new fascias?

80% chance of more power.

I would say less than 10% chance of more power. GM has a long history of no power bumps on the mainstream v8's for the camaro and Corvette. Other than the last LS6 (which at the time was a specialty engine, over 15 years ago), I really can't remember the last time they did it.

I'm sure they are just testing the facial or other minor adjustments.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I would say less than 10% chance of more power. GM has a long history of no power bumps on the mainstream v8's for the camaro and Corvette. Other than the last LS6 (which at the time was a specialty engine, over 15 years ago), I really can't remember the last time they did it.

I'm sure they are just testing the facial or other minor adjustments.

What kind of tests are they running on fascias? NONE

Maybe just riding around for the fun of it, but not testing fascias

I'll adjust to 70% and time will tell.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes, yes they absolutely would be driving cars around for the new fascia. Simply impacts to cooling alone would have them do that.

There will likely be a bunch of changes that cause the need for prototypes to be built and tested.

Does not mean there won't be an engine or engine upgrade in power. GM has rarely done that. Maybe a 5 or 10 hp gain, but there were no bumps that I recall for the LS3 in the Corvette or Camaro.

Only time will tell.

+1

There was no update on the LS3, LS2, LS1, and LT1. Was there an update on the old 350's or 305's from '92 or older? That's over a quarter century of no power bumps AT LEAST.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes, yes they absolutely would be driving cars around for the new fascia. Simply impacts to cooling alone would have them do that.

There will likely be a bunch of changes that cause the need for prototypes to be built and tested.

Does not mean there won't be an engine or engine upgrade in power. GM has rarely done that. Maybe a 5 or 10 hp gain, but there were no bumps that I recall for the LS3 in the Corvette or Camaro.

Only time will tell.

They're not testing the airflow or cooling with all that camouflage covering the entire front fascia except some vent holes.

HP - maybe wishful thinking - Maybe the new GM will do something new.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I would say less than 10% chance of more power. GM has a long history of no power bumps on the mainstream v8's for the camaro and Corvette. Other than the last LS6 (which at the time was a specialty engine, over 15 years ago), I really can't remember the last time they did it.

I'm sure they are just testing the facial or other minor adjustments.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

+1

There was no update on the LS3, LS2, LS1, and LT1. Was there an update on the old 350's or 305's from '92 or older? That's over a quarter century of no power bumps AT LEAST.

The LS1s in '01 changed to the LS6 intake, different cam and some other small changes. While there was no change in rating (pre SAE testing and Corvette protection era) those engines definitely made more power. There were continuous updates to engines and output during the 3rd gen. The 4th gen saw the most continuity but also saw a huge change in engines from LT1 to LS1. So there definitely is history of refreshes with power changes.

But honestly everything before the 5th gen was a very different GM and a different market domestic market. The 5th gen saw now power bumps but there also wasn't much motivation since the car was doing well and more importantly the power output on the base C6 was higher than the Mustang the entire gen. That is the key thing to consider now. This gen is the first to see the Camaro/Vette on equal power ratings.

If the '18 Mustang GT sees a bump past the 455hp rating of the base Vette, that's an entirely different story for GM. Not in the last 3 or 4 generations has the entry V8 Mustang had the same or more power than the Vette. I can guarantee that GM would not let that happen for long. It may mean a 5 hp bump or something small, but the Vette's status requires it not be second. I mean look at the separate ratings for NPP in the C6 and C7. The real question would be would it trickle down to the Camaro. Which with the Camaro team of today, I would say yes.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by camaro5

They're not testing the airflow or cooling with all that camouflage covering the entire front fascia except some vent holes.

HP - maybe wishful thinking - Maybe the new GM will do something new.

The camo is set up to a) replicate cooling and b) hide the change. Actually a lot of engineering goes into the camo for both of those reasons. You should have seen what Dave Hill did on the C6 to disguise the cars shorter overhangs compared to the C5.

You are correct that specific cooing tests wouldn't be done with camo. But for all of the evaluations they are doing, cooing is one of the reasons you would build prototypes for testing.

[90503]

That camo is interesting....I would think it's either hiding a big change or virtually no change at all....The other skin tight type camo seemed to rely just on the optical illusion of the design pattern to "hide" something....

My guess: it will be a "drastic" refresh change in looks for in the front and rear clip....Using the old style camo would make it too easy to tell one way or the other...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Yes, yes they absolutely would be driving cars around for the new fascia. Simply impacts to cooling alone would have them do that.

There will likely be a bunch of changes that cause the need for prototypes to be built and tested.

Does not mean there won't be an engine or engine upgrade in power. GM has rarely done that. Maybe a 5 or 10 hp gain, but there were no bumps that I recall for the LS3 in the Corvette or Camaro.

Only time will tell.

Exactly this ^^^.

As for year to year bumps, that has happened. I am speaking specifically of Corvette or Camaro, but in general there have been modest hp bumps in the fairly recent past.

Some from exhaust tuning, some from differences in injection technology, some from other modest content tweaks that don't drive an RPO code change. I can somewhat recall minor changes in hp on 3.6L DOHC as well as the L850 / LGE families of 4-cylinder engines. We did it all the time on diesel engines.

I would not be surprised to see a minor bump once Ford makes the final Mustang GT numbers official.

[camaro5]

This is what I'm talking about - a 20+ HP bump to keep ahead of mustang gt:

The gear shown is “4”, while the digital speedometer reads “55”. It’s thought those numbers represent 455 hp for the reworked Coyote V8 engine.

A 20 hp bump seems doable, too, as the Mustang GT receives a new direct injection system and factory quad-tip exhaust. Ford has remained quiet on the matter, but it seems the pony car wars are heating up once again.

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/01/...#ixzz4fnGQ3vE3

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The camo is set up to a) replicate cooling and b) hide the change. Actually a lot of engineering goes into the camo for both of those reasons. You should have seen what Dave Hill did on the C6 to disguise the cars shorter overhangs compared to the C5.

You are correct that specific cooing tests wouldn't be done with camo. But for all of the evaluations they are doing, cooing is one of the reasons you would build prototypes for testing.

That's interesting that those seemingly random camo details are aero engineered.

Waiting for more pics and speculation now.

[doc7000]

On power gains some are looking at the Camaro in a vacuum, they will make changes/tweaks based on the perceived need to make them.

Ford has dropped the V-6 engine and will only offer the EB 2.3 as the non V-8 engine, however it doesn't seem as though this engine has gotten a power boost. Because of this I don't think there is really a need to boost I-4 or V-6 power except maybe if Cadillac needs to boost those engines up. Really only the V-8 might need a boost in power with the Mustang GT going up in power.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by camaro5

This is what I'm talking about - a 20+ HP bump to keep ahead of mustang gt:





Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2017/01/...#ixzz4fnGQ3vE3

GM doesn't care what kind of power the Mustang is making, or did you forget about the ZL1 vs GT500? They have already said they have no plans to beat the Hellcat power rating with the Camaro.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

The bottom line is the car is expensive and it's not selling as well as General Motors would like I can't wait to get my RS V6 should be in within another week or two but I don't see any on the road around me and I work at the GM Oshawa plant I drive back and forth on the 401 I hardly ever see one of these new Camaros it's just unfortunately not selling hopefully with whatever refresh they do it will ignite the public into wanting to purchase the Camaro again

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry but I have to vote no.

I do believe they could do a better job than those two. The current rear just...sucks. The SS 1LE spoiler does help, but it needs more.