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What I don’t like about EVs [Product]:
What I don’t like about EVs [Transition]
What’s NOT on my list and why
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01-20-2024, 08:20 AM | #1599 |
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Forgot one and it’s a biggie.
This is more an issue with how the company chooses to do business and theoretically could also be done with an ICE vehicle, just nobody else has bothered to try anything so brazen.
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01-20-2024, 09:00 AM | #1600 | |
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Where it does cross the line is the cost of it and the false advertising, gross exaggerations, etc. I know the text and other legal material always stress you need to be ready to take over at any time, but then you have Musk run his mouth saying it's perfect and overstate the current capabilities of the system. This leads to people to be complacent and not be ready. And on the extreme side you have the cases of people sleeping. Of course it also doesn't transfer to the new car so it is $12,000 again. And Tesla is walking back claims that improvements in the hardware to make FSD work better will be a free retrofit. So despite HW4 having improvements that will make FSD supposedly work better, Tesla is claiming HW3 is still good enough to have FSD work the same way as it would with a car with HW4. I want a viable alternative to Tesla's. But for me and when it comes time to replace my Model 3 and I had to choose based on today's offerings, it would be the highland Model 3 despite the decontenting. Hyundai's don't appeal to me, VW's and Ford's offerings are junk. Rivian and Lucid is way out of my price range and are still in a state Tesla was in 10 years ago in terms of support and service. GM's products on paper are good, but are proving to be bug filled. |
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01-20-2024, 09:15 AM | #1601 |
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Since you asked…
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01-20-2024, 09:38 AM | #1602 | |
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A 40% reduction in range in temps below 20 degrees F is a huge impact to people in northern and midwestern states where distance and temperatures can be "extreme". Take a 2018 Tesla Model 3 with 175,000 miles and a 2008 Buick LaCrosse with an L26 3800 also with 175,000 (+10 years). Which one will make it to 250,000 with the least amount of trouble? Where I live, the climate is perfect for preserving car bodies. Many people here run well maintained cars well into 400,000+ miles before a the power train finally has a catastrophic failure. Show me an EV capable of attaining this kind of longevity and not ending up in a landfill after around 150k. I feel you're marginalizing/underestimating the longevity that many ICE platforms have attained and just handwaved it as being "about the same, anyways" in comparison to EVs. |
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01-20-2024, 09:52 AM | #1603 | |
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I have seen ~20% hit in my efficiency in the winter with my Model 3 LR with the heat pump. |
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01-20-2024, 10:21 AM | #1604 |
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Notwithstanding the name, I don’t think anyone, even you, believes that its main purpose was to reduce inflation. The whole thing is over reaching, manipulating the marketplace, and was given to the public under false pretenses. You'll have a hard time rationalizing how massive spending and increasing the money supply helps control inflation, while leaving out the fact interest rates were raised by over 3X. So, I guess we'll see eggs around $1/dozen again, thanks to federal EV graft? Last edited by Capricio; 01-20-2024 at 10:37 AM. |
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When I’m done typing this I’ll jump in the Model Y that is currently showing me 260 miles of range and I’ll head to Costco and stuff the tailgate full of random stuff. I’ll come back home and plug it back in. That’s a round trip of 19 miles. Because of the cold and some highway driving speeds I’ll probably actually use about 25 miles for the round trip. I have a feeling that I’ll make it just fine. And when I’m ready to go somewhere else I will start with 260 miles available to me. If it winds up being actual 170 but I’m only driving 20 miles here, 50 miles there it’s not a concern at all. Quote:
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01-20-2024, 11:42 AM | #1606 | |
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I have clients who are actively working deals to change where they get the minerals to make the batteries that go into their EVs so that they can qualify. This means lower reliance on China for minerals and less reliance on cobalt and manganese that are in many places (but not all) mined with child labor. On other fronts, the IRA has reduced the price of insulin from several hundred dollars a month to a cap of $35 a month for people whose lives depend on it. I’m pretty sure most of us know somebody who uses insulin, because diabetes is a silent epidemic in this country. That’s a huge change in available spending power for people so afflicted.
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01-20-2024, 03:00 PM | #1608 | |
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I left home with 260 miles of range and returned with 207 miles of range. Highway speeds were my typical 75-80 mph. It consumed 11 kWh out of an 81 kWh battery charged to 80%, so roughly 64 kWh, minus the 11 used leaves me with 53kWh. Average energy usage for the trip was 352 Wh/mile. That’s compared to our normal usage of 336 Wh/mile so roughly 5% more energy per mile. I’m thinking that these measures are energy usage at the motors only and not taking into account the extra energy draw for heating the cabin. The drop off in total range is more than 5%. More like around 40%. So now I’m home, plugged in. Later when it’s time to go pick up my son at the airport I’ll leave the house with 260 miles of range.
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01-20-2024, 06:26 PM | #1609 | |
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Tesla’s range guess o meter on the top of the screen sucks that way in it doesn’t adjust based off your driving habits/style and consumption that results. The energy app will show an estimated range based on current consumption though. It’s why the common advice is to have the display show percentage instead of miles. |
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Someone in West by-God Virginia listed an inherited 3rd gen on fb market, wants it sold, and has no idea that it's a 1LE. Feed a sudden trip like that into the computer.
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