[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by tenargo57

Performance hybrids seem to be a nice middleground with mostly upsides other than cost. I really want to drive an E-Ray, although if I was in the market for a car like that I'd probably end up with a Z06. If GM does reboot the Camaro it would be pretty cool to see a hybrid option, even if it's not putting down the same numbers as the E-Ray.

I’m thinking that if GM did bring Camaro back it would be as a BEV but also with a REEV (Range Extended Electric Vehicle) option. The downside to this is that even though it would have an ICE, the ICE would NOT provide power directly to the wheels. Its sole purpose would be to maintain the battery state of charge and also provide extra boost to the electric motors.

Remember, the drag on early Tesla Ludicrous Mode and Plaid was “yeah, but they lose performance as the battery depletes.” So…what if the battery doesn’t deplete because there’s a gas powered generator keeping it at optimal SOC? I expect this to be the plan for electrified truck, starting with the upcoming Ram RamCharger and could apply just as well to performance cars.

[Devstrike]

The interesting thing about the Ram Ramcharger that if I have been reading about it right that is, is that you can fill it with gas instead of plugging it in if you wish. If manufacturers gave people this option they would probably sell. It would ease all the worries that prevent people from buying EVs in the US. Time will tell for the enthusiasts and Pickup Truck buyers though. (especially the truck owners that tow). As far as the Challenger goes seems like Dodge is fast tracking the ICE model although it won't be a V8 but the Hurricane. I doubt GM will go a Twin Turbo 6 if they bring back an ICE Camaro but maybe a V8 hybrid like the E-Ray but that is wishful thinking on my part. GM is sticking to V8s then going the TT V6/I6 route although they do have an I4 TT in the Silverado.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

The interesting thing about the Ram Ramcharger that if I have been reading about it right that is, is that you can fill it with gas instead of plugging it in if you wish. If manufacturers gave people this option they would probably sell. It would ease all the worries that prevent people from buying EVs in the US. Time will tell for the enthusiasts and Pickup Truck buyers though. (especially the truck owners that tow). As far as the Challenger goes seems like Dodge is fast tracking the ICE model although it won't be a V8 but the Hurricane. I doubt GM will go a Twin Turbo 6 if they bring back an ICE Camaro but maybe a V8 hybrid like the E-Ray but that is wishful thinking on my part. GM is sticking to V8s then going the TT V6/I6 route although they do have an I4 TT in the Silverado.

You are correct. That would be a plus for people who cannot plug in at home. But for those who can, it only makes sense to do so since electricity is priced very low (in my case $0.17 / kWh off-peak). Then for long trips, instead of looking for DC fast chargers, which can get pricey, you can fill up at a gas station and let the ICE maintain the battery for the full drive. Then plug in to a Level 2 on the other end. My Equinox EV is delivering 3.5 miles/kWh, so at $0.17 / kWh, my fuel cost per mile is 4.86 cents. By comparison, the SRX that it replaced got about 18 mpg. At $3 gas that was costing me 17 cents per mile.

So with a REEV, you would want to top it off every night from home level 2 charging and then just not worry about it on long trips. Vehicle operates the same way whether the batteries are being charged from house electricity or gasoline.

[redcoats1976]

i wouldnt be against an alternative power source for a gen 7 camaro...as long as it is not a fugly four door SUV like the EV mustang is.if the designers are contemplating an SUV camaro,just let the neme die with the 6th gen.that said,an alternative power supply could leave room for some new and swoopy design cues to reinspire the camaro faithful.

[NovaSS4spdFan]

Just read that for 2025, the Camaro nameplate will not appear on the body of NASCAR entries. Just ZL-1. GM made this decision, not NASCAR.
Very telling ?

[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by NovaSS4spdFan

Just read that for 2025, the Camaro nameplate will not appear on the body of NASCAR entries. Just ZL-1. GM made this decision, not NASCAR.
Very telling ?

IMO Chevrolet should get a one year exemption and be allowed to run the Camaro for '25 and THATS IT! If you don't have a production car equivalent, you don't race. Bad enough when Nascar allowed front-wheel drive four-doors to participate. Chevrolet and gm have turned their back on Nascar before and now they're a kinder, gentler corporate behemoth so no big surprise there.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

IMO Chevrolet should get a one year exemption and be allowed to run the Camaro for '25 and THATS IT! If you don't have a production car equivalent, you don't race. Bad enough when Nascar allowed front-wheel drive four-doors to participate. Chevrolet and gm have turned their back on Nascar before and now they're a kinder, gentler corporate behemoth so no big surprise there.

Well GM just committed to $450,000,000 for their seat at the F1 table. Possible GM doesn't feel the return for NASCAR anymore, noting that attendance and viewership are down and F1 is up and growing.

Ford? Why spend so much to race a car that sells less than 50,000 units per year and basically has no competition until the ICE Challenger comes back sometime next year. So other than the Ford brand, not much value there. And I read Ford was also trying to get an F1 team as well.

[olrocker]

Yeah they killed NASCAR years ago. Stage racing. Playoffs. Homogenous chassis and engines. All the other rule changes……..

When Charlotte removed 15,000 seats you knew the bullet was shot in the heart.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Yeah they killed NASCAR years ago. Stage racing. Playoffs. Homogenous chassis and engines. All the other rule changes……..

When Charlotte removed 15,000 seats you knew the bullet was shot in the heart.

Once they stopped beating each other up in the pits, I checked out. Its way too civilized. NASCAR fines the drivers for pretty much anything now. They need to go back to wrecking each other on track intentionally.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

Once they stopped beating each other up in the pits, I checked out. Its way too civilized. NASCAR fines the drivers for pretty much anything now. They need to go back to wrecking each other on track intentionally.

They always point to the finish and the fight of the 1979 Daytona 500 as the race that brought NASCAR from a southeastern hillbilly hobby to a major national sports interest. It wasn’t just that Allison and Yarborough crashed into each other just before the finish line preventing either from finishing g the race, it’s that the cameras caught them both immediately hop out of their destroyed cars without a scratch and go at it.

Like NASCAR has forgotten what made it great.

[arpad_m]

...in the meantime, Ford are doing this. GM sucks.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...in the meantime, Ford are doing this. GM sucks.

Damn, GTD looks amazing. Nice to see them doing that kind of development into their muscle car.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...in the meantime, Ford are doing this. GM sucks.

Yep, whenever the going gets tough, the people running GM cut bait. It happened in the 60's and I think that set a precedent.

When Camaro was challenged by the mustang terminator in 2003, GM killed the Camaro off. History repeats with this company.

Sooner or later, I expect GM to bring back a V8 Supercar Camaro. It might cost nearly as much as a ZR-1 Vette though.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

Yep, whenever the going gets tough, the people running GM cut bait. It happened in the 60's and I think that set a precedent.

When Camaro was challenged by the mustang terminator in 2003, GM killed the Camaro off. History repeats with this company.

Sooner or later, I expect GM to bring back a V8 Supercar Camaro. It might cost nearly as much as a ZR-1 Vette though.

The end of the 4th gens was set WELL BEFORE the 2003 Mustang Cobra. That car had literally nothing to do with the 4th Gens demise...it was an unhealthy deal with the St Therese plant, and GM not promoting the 4th gens at all (advertising, or sales incentives) that killed it.

The GTD is a Mulimatic car powered by Ford and is 300+K. No Camaro has even been third partied by GM and sold in this price range. Even the COPO program was less than half that.