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It's okay though. I get that you're just too retarded to understand why someone isn't cross-shopping a V6 trim with a V8, or why people are paying money for the V8 cars; they just aren't doing it in Chevrolet dealerships. Drawing a line in the sand when there are cheaper options doesn't ****ing work. Quote:
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The 5.3 is still criminally underused and could definitely provide an affordable option for those who want 8 cylinders. You know, kind of like what the 327 did back in the day. Hell, I'd put money on a 5.3 6th Gen being able to match, if not surpass, the 3.6's fuel economy. |
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The 2015 Challenger was a MCE which was a cosmetic and hardware update. It's still on the ancient LX platform with the same overall exterior design. The 2015 Mustang was a redesign. The 2016 Camaro is a redesign. The 2013 Malibu was a redesign, the 2014 Malibu was a refresh. The 2014 Silverado was a redesign. The 2016 Silverado was a refresh. |
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03-14-2018, 06:30 PM | #145 | |
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And the challengers are selling like a bitch, seems to me the Camaro philosophy isn't working. |
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03-14-2018, 06:37 PM | #147 |
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In reality the Challenger sales only have had a very small increase in sale from 2009. They have for the most part been flat. Its the Camaro and Mustang sales that have dropped tremendously to the point of selling at Challenger levels. In saying that, it is still impressive that the Challenger has made these slight increases or at least stayed the same in this environment of cars being out of favor with most consumers thease days.
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I would love to see monthly totals of fleet and retail sales from Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger to make a comparison who sells the most cars to retail buyers. Camaro still has fleet sales, but I understand that there isn't as many as the other two. Mustang and Challenger could still possibly sell more retail, Mustang for sure. |
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Edit: im not sure if Challenger retail sales were in that post. Looking for it. Anyone know or have it? |
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03-15-2018, 06:18 AM | #153 |
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The Camaro is Really Struggling And that brings us to the ugliest muscle car sales news we have covered in years – January 2018 Camaro sales. Last month, Chevrolet only sold 2,867 examples of the Camaro. That is the worst sales month for the Camaro since it returned in late 2009 as a 2010 model year vehicle and based on what I have found, it is the first time that the Camaro sold less than 3,000 units in a month during the 5th or 6th generation. In short, January 2018 was the worst sales month for the modern era of the Camaro, but it was also one of the worst sales totals for any of the muscle cars in the past few years. To be exact, in the years that I have been covering the muscle car segment sales race, the Mustang has never sold fewer than 3,000 units. The last time that the Challenger dipped below 3,000 units was back in January 2014, so in the past four years, the Camaro’s January sales total is the worst in the segment. Spin this anyway you like this is not good news. The Camaro needs a refresh.
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Not spin. None of these cars are doing well and Challenger is the worst. The difference is fleet/rental sales. The Challenger has the big truck, big back seat, cheap V8 model, etc. So suggesting those features are going to be the difference is questionable.
Fleet! GM is avoiding that. Retail ATP's 2017 (JDPin) Camaro: $39,514 Challenger: $35,498 (-$4,016) Mustang: $33,792 (-$5,722) Retail Sales 2017 Camaro: 65,222 Mustang: 60,581 (-4641) Challenger: 45,821 (-19,401) Total Sales 2017 Mustang 81,866 Camaro 67,940 (-13,926) Challenger 64,537 (-17,329) Percentage of Total Sales that are Fleet/Rental 2017 Camaro 4% Mustang 26% (+22%) Challenger 29% (+25%)
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