[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

How is the BMW running similar times to the SS with the same weight and almost 100 less HP?

It’s not

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

How is the BMW running similar times to the SS with the same weight and almost 100 less HP?

Aside from what is mentioned above (traction and bmw underrating their horsepower) the m240i weighs about 150 lbs less than an SS. Aside from that lower power cars tend to have better gearing for acceleration and they also can typically hang until a little passed 100 mph. It’s the higher speeds where horsepower and aero truly take over. Assuming the camaro is at least as aero dynamic as the bmw I would bet the camaro would really pull away from it in a roll race as the speeds start to increase.

[hotlap]

BMW M2 Competition

Tires:
Michelin Pilot Super Sport,
F: 245/35ZR-19 (93Y)
R: 265/35ZR-19 (98Y)

Curb weight: 3628 lb

Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.3 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 116 mph

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m2

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Aside from what is mentioned above (traction and bmw underrating their horsepower) the m240i weighs about 150 lbs less than an SS. Aside from that lower power cars tend to have better gearing for acceleration and they also can typically hang until a little passed 100 mph. It’s the higher speeds where horsepower and aero truly take over. Assuming the camaro is at least as aero dynamic as the bmw I would bet the camaro would really pull away from it in a roll race as the speeds start to increase.

Dyno. Look at what an M240 dynos at. I'd wager 2022 is at least 350hp/tq. With the full torque lower, it'll probably pull on a camaro until you get to some seriously high speeds.

[Number 3]

M2 is simply a smaller car.

WB 4 inches shorter (HUGE)
Length 12 inches shorter (HUGER)
Width 1.7 inches narrower (Still BIG)

Camaro is lower, but we all know that.

So not sure why the comparison is Camaro to M2 when size wise it's M4.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

M2 is simply a smaller car.

WB 4 inches shorter (HUGE)
Length 12 inches shorter (HUGER)
Width 1.7 inches narrower (Still BIG)

Camaro is lower, but we all know that.

So not sure why the comparison is Camaro to M2 when size wise it's M4.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (M4 Competition Coupe is 77,495 with executive package and destination)

and track focused purity

[Fak_Ork]

Originally Posted by Number 3

M2 is simply a smaller car.

WB 4 inches shorter (HUGE)
Length 12 inches shorter (HUGER)
Width 1.7 inches narrower (Still BIG)

Camaro is lower, but we all know that.

So not sure why the comparison is Camaro to M2 when size wise it's M4.

It's helpful to note that the M240i is getting significantly fatter in 2022. It will be 4.3 inches longer, 2.6 inches wider, and wheelbase increases by 2". NO idea what the 2022 acceleration numbers will be but, as has been noted, curb weight looks to be up around 3860 (which also happens to be in the M340i ballpark). This should drop a hundred pounds or so for the promised 2WD version.


We do know that the motor is no longer the -40HP version of the B58 but will be offering the same rating as the M340i- 382HP, 369 Ft/Lbs.

ETA: For the M240i to have REALLY retained its appeal all they needed was a couple modest updates, maybe upgrade the electronics, tweak the styling slightly (or leave it alone) and THEN, OF COURSE add the missing 40 HP to the turbo V6. Not sure why they made it quite so much bigger. As it is the plain-jane 1SS looks like a real bargain to me. As I've been saying time and time again, I need to find one to rent or overnight test drive to know for sure.

[6spdhyperblue]

M2? For another $5k ZL1..
I know what I’d do

[pzoom]

As a former BMW owner, they cannot seem to make reliable timing chains and VANOS. On the M240i, I think it has the B58 engine which has all the unreliable stuff in the back - any issues will require an engine drop. Fun car to lease, but not a keeper.

[FarmerFran]

I looked a Z4 before i got the ogress. No manual. No go.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlap

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (M4 Competition Coupe is 77,495 with executive package and destination)

and track focused purity

You hit on my point. A BMW competitor shouldn't be the one I can afford for the money. It should be the car that compares.

IMO giving BMW the nod here is giving them too much credit.

To your point exactly, to get the true equivalent to the Camaro from BMW costs $30,000 more, making the Camaro look that much better IMO.

[JamesNoBrakes]

M240i x-drive is also going to put down it's power a lot better until you get to crazy speeds, so it will be ahead for a while. Some cars can stretch this out to the end of the 1/4, making the trap speeds more indicative of the real potential...except where are you going to be driving at or above those speeds anyway?

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So not sure why the comparison is Camaro to M2 when size wise it's M4.

For many that have followed the M3 from the original E30 in 1986, the BMW 3 series became their minds the 1 series, because the E90 was so huge compared to the earlier E46, and that thought continued with the 2 series. I personally didn't compare the Camaro to the M4 but the M2 because of usability (interior space), and price as well. Although at the time i was shopping, used M2's, M4's were close in price.



https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...camaro-ss-1le/

[wheelspeed]

As I understand it, old '80s BMW all had nice clutch-pack rear diffs with torquey inline 6 engines. But wives crashed them in the rain when borrowing the car, and newer bimmers don't come with good rear diffs. You have to get an M car. (Not sure about M-sport, but M should have it). Plus bean-counters took over around the 2000's. For the most part, bmw just isn't what it used to be. The E46 M3 was considered good and the new M2 has good reviews as far as new test drives, but other than those, bmw seems to have lost it's overall 'drivers car' image. (I don't know how M2 reliability will be in the long run.)