[Billabongi]

Awesome thanks all!

[BrianL]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

The fact that you are getting the stopping power of brembos, the last thing to complain about is brake dust really.

Brembo makes brakes that hold up, deal with heat, and most importantly stop a car...in an emergency or performance situation.

A sports car is first and foremost a performance vehicle. Byproducts of performance is additional heat, higher rate of tire wear, brake dust, and parts that wear quicker.

People are more than welcome to go with aftermarket low dust stuff if you're more about show than go...

Not sure I totally agree with this assessment, but respect the opinion. Your impression has not been what my results have been. Have you actually swapped out the Brembo pads to others & had a performance decrease?

I have had Brembo performance brake systems before on other vehicles, & changed out the pads to aftermarket (Hawk Carbonic was what I used) with no loss of stopping power (in fact it felt a sharper initial bite that took a bit to get used to) & pedal feel remaining very good. The brakes were damn good before & after I swapped. Saved our bacon a few times when assbites pulled something screwy in front of us, so we have considered Brembo's or something offering similar performance a necessity going forward when looking at vehicles. A byproduct of my pad swap was lower dust. Rotor wear was acceptable to me also.

I didn't consider that all about "show".

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by BrianL

Not sure I totally agree with this assessment, but respect the opinion. Your impression has not been what my results have been. Have you actually swapped out the Brembo pads to others & had a performance decrease?

I have had Brembo performance brake systems before on other vehicles, & changed out the pads to aftermarket (Hawk Carbonic was what I used) with no loss of stopping power (in fact it felt a sharper initial bite that took a bit to get used to) & pedal feel remaining very good. The brakes were damn good before & after I swapped. Saved our bacon a few times when assbites pulled something screwy in front of us, so we have considered Brembo's or something offering similar performance a necessity going forward when looking at vehicles. A byproduct of my pad swap was lower dust. Rotor wear was acceptable to me also.

I didn't consider that all about "show".

Yes I have, and I'm not talking about stopping in traffic or highway speeds where brake use isn't the highest frequency. Hence the term "riding brakes" and it's what NOT to do on the street. Or at least try to avoid it.

My experience stems from autox and being on tracks where stopping from 100+ mph or autox, repeated use at 40-60mph. Once again as I did on the 5th gen ,I'll be switching out my brembos for wilwood soon. I had the 6 piston and 4 piston brembos on the front and the 4 on the rear. Obviously at different times. Eventually I went to a 2 piece rotors and 6 piston wilwood. Weight savings.

Semi metallic/carbon metallic is what's reccomended on most tracks short of running full cf brake setups. Most guys will switch to a ceramic or Kevlar for street driving. Many timed before we leave the track. As it gives you decent stopping power, but designed more for low dust and andppearance reasons. You gotta realize with brakes there's a give and take. More abrasive compounds offer better stopping on one end, and on the other end ceramic and lower friction compounds that have less bite will have less stopping power but stay cleaner... to me that's a sow thing more than performance.

Hawk Carbonic re a semi metallic, hence the initial bite is what most prefer for performance on track days. Which basically goes with what I originally said.

Also in its barest form, if your worried about brake dust, that's worrying about the appearance, right? Ever hear the term show&go? Go is usually performance. Show is usually appearance. Just sayin... nothing wrong with it, so no need to defend from it. But when your worried about appearance on the car it does error more to the show category.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by BrianL

I have had Brembo performance brake systems before on other vehicles, & changed out the pads to aftermarket (Hawk Carbonic was what I used) with no loss of stopping power (in fact it felt a sharper initial bite that took a bit to get used to) & pedal feel remaining very good.

Do you remember Hawk's name for the pad compound you've used? Hawk advertises several pads as being 'ferrocarbon', and there are significant differences in initial bite, dusting, noise, appetite for your iron rotors in street duty, and other factors among them. For example, it's a big step going from the original HPS to the HP+, and even the HP+ does not get universal recommendation for use on the track.


Norm

[Dysan911]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

Also in its barest form, if your worried about brake dust, that's worrying about the appearance, right? Ever hear the term show&go? Go is usually performance. Show is usually appearance. Just sayin... nothing wrong with it, so no need to defend from it. But when your worried about appearance on the car it does error more to the show category.

So is washing the car also in that same category?

Look I have no intention of AutoX'ing my car and feel the amount of dust from the stock pads were not equal to the amount of braking I was doing Hell just 2 days of casual driving looked like I did 100 miles of hard AutoX'ing. .

Also consider that there's also a cost factor for manufacturers to consider too when they produce products. I"m sure Brembo/GM would love to provide a low dust pad but probably can't justify the extra expense.

I personally have not experience any issues with the Z26 pads other than almost zero brake dust. I swear if someone snuck in my garage and swapped the pads out I would have never known!. Nothing wrong with us wanting our cars too look their best when possible.

[BrianL]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Do you remember Hawk's name for the pad compound you've used? Hawk advertises several pads as being 'ferrocarbon', and there are significant differences in initial bite, dusting, noise, appetite for your iron rotors in street duty, and other factors among them. For example, it's a big step going from the original HPS to the HP+, and even the HP+ does not get universal recommendation for use on the track.


Norm

Hi Norm,

I believe it was their 5.0 pads for the street I used all around. I never went to the track, but was impressed. They didn't squeal or produce near the dust as the originals, initial bite was good, very controllable. And they didn't eat iron rotors either, so for me, they satisfied my needs.

I have no experience with the PowerStop Z26, but I will change out my pads this Spring & I'll be looking at the various offerings. Even if it's more in the "show" vs. "go" category compared to the race guys needs!

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by Dysan911

So is washing the car also in that same category?

Look I have no intention of AutoX'ing my car and feel the amount of dust from the stock pads were not equal to the amount of braking I was doing Hell just 2 days of casual driving looked like I did 100 miles of hard AutoX'ing. .

Also consider that there's also a cost factor for manufacturers to consider too when they produce products. I"m sure Brembo/GM would love to provide a low dust pad but probably can't justify the extra expense.

I personally have not experience any issues with the Z26 pads other than almost zero brake dust. I swear if someone snuck in my garage and swapped the pads out I would have never known!. Nothing wrong with us wanting our cars too look their best when possible.

Probably legit I still have track number residue on the front windscreen and side window from Dec 4th, and a bit on the side is from Nov 13th. Legit.

Whether you do autox or track a car, cars and coffee, whatever you choose....my whole point is this:

They designed the car to perform, not stay clean. Performance comes at a cost. To make it cost effective, and perform good, there's gonna be some drawbacks for the guys who like their cars to stay clean.

This is where the aftermarket comes in to cater to those who have extra needs, not commensurate with what came stock.

A performance built car will have performance attributes.

It's no different than someone who wants a car with blinged out 24 inch wheels. 20 is all you get stock...maybe 21 if you use the 5th gen wheels. If you want 24. There's the aftermarket for that. I don't feel they should offer it stock only cause a few demand it. Me, I'd rather stop great, look clean 2nd. That's. Just me.

Most people who are gonna use the car for what it's made for prob isn't worried about dust, be it brake or tire ��

No one should take offense to this.

[BrianL]

Yea, it's all good! I've been modifying my cars since the early 70's. It's part of the fun of owning a capable car. Make it what you want & to satisfy your needs/wants.

I'll never track my car, but I do appreciate an aggressive drive out in the hills around where I live. But I'll try some different pads to see if I can increase the stock Brembo capabilities while accomplishing lower dust residue. I'm not familiar with the PowerStop offerings, but see many in the forum using them. I would like to see some comparison data that isn't sponsored by the supplier if such a thing exists.

if it doesn't work out, it won't be the first time a mod didn't work as intended for me. Live & learn. But getting my hands to turn a wrench is something I enjoy also.

[Billabongi]

Quick question for all, my car was in the shop this week so I went ahead and had them throw on the Z26 pads on my front Brembo's. Do I still need to follow Powerstop's break in or would the dealer have done that or something similar when they installed? Off to go pick up the car here shortly so I was wondering if I still needed to do the break in.

[AlphaCamaro7]

Originally Posted by Billabongi

Quick question for all, my car was in the shop this week so I went ahead and had them throw on the Z26 pads on my front Brembo's. Do I still need to follow Powerstop's break in or would the dealer have done that or something similar when they installed? Off to go pick up the car here shortly so I was wondering if I still needed to do the break in.

I'm sorry I don't have the answer you're looking for I would like to know the link to the brake pads you got them from if you don't mind


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[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Billabongi

Quick question for all, my car was in the shop this week so I went ahead and had them throw on the Z26 pads on my front Brembo's. Do I still need to follow Powerstop's break in or would the dealer have done that or something similar when they installed? Off to go pick up the car here shortly so I was wondering if I still needed to do the break in.

Plan on doing that part yourself.

At best, they drove it around the block and stepped on the brake a handful of times to make sure it didn't pull to one side or the other. Any shop that would do your pad bedding for you would charge you extra for doing it


Norm

[AlphaCamaro7]

Would anybody here recommend any good slotted/drilled rotors for SS front brakes?


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[AlphaCamaro7]

Originally Posted by Billabongi

If my 2LT has the 4 pot Brembos I can use the z23 pads without issue right?

I think it might be z26. I have upgraded 4 pot brembos as well from a SS and it's supposed to fit with the z26. Not sure about z23


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[Billabongi]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Plan on doing that part yourself.

At best, they drove it around the block and stepped on the brake a handful of times to make sure it didn't pull to one side or the other. Any shop that would do your pad bedding for you would charge you extra for doing it


Norm

Thanks, now just to find an area to do it.