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Originally Posted by ECS C6

Yup. I guess the supercar manufacturers are getting it wrong? Maybe you should take over at Porsche and fix the 918 and Turbo S for them? Maybe you can fix the GTR and Huracan while you're at it?
I suggest you educate yourself. So sad that some people are completely clueless about physics. Our educational systems are failing the youth.

True, but look at the prices of those.

[Camaro_Corvette]

When I see these wheels in person come May, I'll decide then. They look pretty good.

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Anyone notice the CT6 introduction mentioned AWD with the 400 HP 3.0 TT?

And the first car with AWD and rear wheel steering.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by i2disturbedSS

Yeah a little fun off topic never hurts to much.
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Good news also if you are getting a 6th gen, no weird weights on the brakes.

Don't speak too soon...there weren't any weights on the pads when the 2010 car came out...and then the brakes started squeaking...

Originally Posted by ECS C6

Yup. I guess the supercar manufacturers are getting it wrong? Maybe you should take over at Porsche and fix the 918 and Turbo S for them? Maybe you can fix the GTR and Huracan while you're at it?
I suggest you educate yourself. So sad that some people are completely clueless about physics. Our educational systems are failing the youth.

You're not wrong that AWD offers handling/performance benefits. But it's hardly a magic solution. Otherwise, wouldn't every vehicle by everybody be featuring it? And let's be brutally honest here...GM doesn't have an AWD system in the same league as what you're thinking about. Just making the front two wheels spin too doesn't mean it's going to be worth the trade-offs in weight and cost unless it's a GREAT system.

There are some really great RWD supercars out there, by the way. See: Z/28...Stingray/Z06...and the Ferrari Italia, to name just a few.

I don't want an AWD Camaro, fwiw. There's something....visceral about RWD that I love. An attitude, and driving feel that I would miss, and would make the Camaro not feel like a Camaro anymore.

Back on topic....anybody notice how they cleverly photoshopped out the tire size from the sidewall on that picture? Also...no, I didn't read the whole thread...anybody notice those are Goodyear Asymmetric 2 RunOnFlat tires?

And this business about the car being 25% stiffer than the current one...HOLY $#!T!!!! That's a really really big deal, because this car is already built like a tank.

[i2disturbedSS]

ECS C6
I was wondering about what car you drive also. The only AWD car I've driven is a Jeep SRT8 and I still have a older Jeep, so I know how AWD can be a benefit. However in sports cars I like RWD. Is the fun factor that much better?
I know a V8 AWD would be a game changer in a Camaro and always thought about one since I was 15. However I don't think it's the time for it.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by ECS C6

Have you looked at the prices of AWD+DCT cars?
The Golf R is under $40k, the Audi S3 is $40k, the Audi S4 and Mercedes AMG CLA45 are both $50k.........and they all run 11's with tuning.

I love the reports of 2016 Camaro 1SS and will buy one with a 7spd, RWD, and a stick at the current 1SS price. But, GMs performance cars deserve DCT and AWD as options, and I have faith that GM engineers can make it happen. But, they're not going to be motivated to do unless we vote with our dollars. I have voted by NOT buying any more Corvettes and will not buy a CTS-V, ATS-V, or SS Sedan. The only GM that's left for me to buy is a Camaro SS, and the only reason I'm willing to do so is because it's cheap. So, I'll buy a 2016 Camaro SS and wait for the Corvette C8 to see if GM can compete with the imports as I continue to drive an IMPORT for my daily driver. Very sad that GM forces a loyal buyer like me to buy an import by not offering a modern drivetrain, but they have.

I would recognize these BS posts anywhere.

Everyone, say hi to "TTC6", one of his many screen names. He spends all day...every day, joining GM forums to do nothing but knock GM cars saying how far behind they are because they don't have DCT, AWD and whatever else he decided that day. He has been banned from just about every forum, multiple times, because he is a TROLL. I can't remember the exact reason he wastes his and our time, but the reason is out there somewhere.

If GM doesn't offer what you want, move on to your inferior imports.

[90503]

Originally Posted by IOMike

I would recognize these BS posts anywhere.

Everyone, say hi to "TTC6", one of his many screen names. He spends all day...every day, joining GM forums to do nothing but knock GM cars saying how far behind they are because they don't have DCT, AWD and whatever else he decided that day. He has been banned from just about every forum, multiple times, because he is a TROLL. I can't remember the exact reason he wastes his and our time, but the reason is out there somewhere.

If GM doesn't offer what you want, move on to your inferior imports.

[FenwickHockey65]

Looks like he forgot about C5 for about 5 years. Must've gotten banned from every other forum.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by ECS C6

Nah. GM is just finally releasing a Camaro worth buying. If you trolls actually read my posts before trying to troll me, you'd see I'm buying a 2016 SS.
So, are you trading your sweet 2003 GMC Envoy in on a 2016 SS or are you just trolling a forum for a car you can't buy?

Lol yeah, I'm trolling.

[doc7000]

People keep throwing around AWD a bit too much.....

A straight AWD system doesn't belong anywhere near a performance vehicle, you get the added weight of the AWD system (which can be from 100-200 pounds). You get the added inertia on the drive train (higher drive train loss), you wouldn't be able to institute AWD on the Camaro without raising the center of gravity for it.

What makes modern AWD systems even possible on high performance cars is for them to have the ability to be RWD cars in those situations where being an AWD car sucks. Not only that as far as when AWD is most beneficial is in a straight line, great if all you do is drag race.

Looking at the Nissan GTR, yes the car is fast in a line with its 545-600BHP power level and AWD gives it some insane 0-60 times. However remember the Z/28 Camaro runs a faster lap time then the Nissan GTR track edition... it was also picked as Motor Trends best drivers car over the GTR Nismo for a reason.

In other words nothing is ever so cut and dry, if they made a RWD only Nissan GTR it would corner faster. Though with the current AWD system it pulls out of corner hard with its ability to put its power to the ground.

At the end of the day it all comes down to what a manufacturer wants to build, and what the customers want to buy.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ECS C6

Your entire post contradicted itself.




Cool story, bro. Sweet 2003 Envoy, too.

Dude, I may understand what you are saying but acting childish won't gain you any friends. Especially calling out guys like Fen. So what if he doesn't drive a Camaro. I do but he sure as hell knows way more than me, when it comes to GM products.

What do you drive by the way? Why not post your cars instead of hiding behind "a few"?

[HDRDTD]

Makes me wonder when someone has been around since 2009 but apparently only has 72 posts.
Hmmmmmmmm.

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by ECS C6

Yup. I guess the supercar manufacturers are getting it wrong? Maybe you should take over at Porsche and fix the 918 and Turbo S for them? Maybe you can fix the GTR and Huracan while you're at it?
I suggest you educate yourself. So sad that some people are completely clueless about physics. Our educational systems are failing the youth.

Wow youre a troll. 918 in a Camaro thread? get a life. hahahahah go buy a WRX smart guy and get done with it. What do you drive smart man?

[WHAMMO]

And ok new Viper is shitt and Z06 too...oh yeah. And the Z28 too. ok got it. why no AWD in F1..oh yeah its shitt too. ok got it.