12-03-2012, 10:50 PM | #127 |
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the general public can buy malibus, cruzes, sonics, etc if they want a 4 cylinder...dont call it a muscle car then...a muscle car has muscle not teenie tiny engines that have help with turbos
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12-03-2012, 10:51 PM | #128 | |
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I look at it this way the V6 Camaro was built to appeal to those that bought the last generation Monte Carlo.
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12-03-2012, 10:52 PM | #129 |
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The way the V-6 guys get grief around here, I can olnly imagine what the 4-cyl guys would have to endure.
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Today, you can...and even the "mpg trimmed muscle cars" will not sacrifice a dynamic driving experience in order to help the fleet average. That's worth recognizing...because it says something about learning from the past. I don't like CAFE...but since it is what it is...I'm impressed with the direction they're taking. It could be a LOT worse. Quote:
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But in your scenario, you forget to take a couple of key things into consideration...the ATS turbo is designed to be a performance car. It's a couple of ticks faster to 60 and in the quarter. But it offers enormous benefits in handling thanks to lower mass...The 3.6L Camaro was tuned for mpg in LS trim, plain and simple...super tall rear axle gear, and all-season tires. 2-3mpg difference might not seem ground breaking, but they fight over fractions of a mpg when they build cars....and when the fleet average is calculated, this difference is enormous. I guess all I mean to say is they're not thinking about this for no reason...but at the same time - it won't be something that'll embarrass the car's reputation. |
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12-03-2012, 10:53 PM | #131 | |
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You may be right, but I have had engine failures in turbo planes,caused by turbo malfunctions. Maintenance costs soar . Never had a turbo car, but have seen so many problems in other car turbos, (not the Solstices), that I would still be leery without a GOOD warranty. |
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12-03-2012, 10:53 PM | #133 | |
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The current 2.0T is knocking on 300 HP's door. Couple that with a flat torque curve over a wide band of engine power and a lightweight platform. I fail to see how that doesn't constitute "muscle."
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12-03-2012, 10:55 PM | #134 |
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thats fine, just dont put it in the camaro! and how does that sound coming out the exhaust? I guarantee it wont sound like "muscle"
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12-03-2012, 10:56 PM | #135 | |
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As for not putting it in the Camaro, too bad. Chances of it happening are way better than not.
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12-03-2012, 10:58 PM | #136 | |
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There are ways to properly tune a 4-bangers exhaust so it doesn't sound like a fart-can...They can give it a little growl without being "bee-hive-ish"....sadly stupid movies like Fast/Furious have anchored that god-awful sound to those abominations called cars they feature on screen, and they've all got 4-cylinders...In real life, there are professionals that don't do that. |
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Otherwise the only thing you'll be hearing is the sound of the assembly plant closing like it did in 02. |
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12-03-2012, 10:59 PM | #138 | |
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For 4 cylinders..
Sounds damn good for a 4 cylinder... better than an LS3.. NO.. still good for what it's worth tho |
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