07-07-2023, 07:09 PM | #113 | |
Drives: Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE Join Date: Oct 2021
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Oh and uh...... Brake Less = Go Faster! |
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07-08-2023, 08:11 AM | #114 | |
Drives: F-Series Canyonero Join Date: Nov 2020
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I ordered a set of Ferodo DS1.11 - will report back. Might be while getting them cross-border and all. I the meantime, I'll just lift earlier on focus on the line. Thanks everyone! |
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07-08-2023, 11:18 AM | #115 |
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07-08-2023, 11:35 AM | #116 | |
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Not surprised you had issues with R16: it is very aggressive and its life span is short (by design). Last piece of advice: do NOT hesitate to go back to stockers, as they are very capable all way to "expert" and I can guarantee they will not impact your pace in the least. A good and safe upgrade would be DS2500 which is one step up from stockers, but then again, ask yourself a question: why? Have fun and enjoy learning the car and the craft! Cheers! |
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08-27-2023, 01:26 PM | #117 |
Drives: F-Series Canyonero Join Date: Nov 2020
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Follow up after the Ferodo DS1.11 install. They were extremely noisy on the street until the first track day. Noise has gone away totally after an HPDE. Maybe something to do with the bedding process.
On track, the initial bite took me by surprise and I had to adjust my pedal application to be more gentle at first. They feel way more consistent than the G-LOC R16s. They gave me confidence to break later with more force. Took 2.5 seconds off my PB I did smell "burned metal" coming into turn 5 at Mosport a couple times. Not sure if that's normal from heavy breaking in general or if there is still too much heat generated? |
08-27-2023, 03:20 PM | #118 | |
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IMO track pads are worth it over OEM HP1000, if just for feel, consistency and not needing as much pedal pressure. It's easy to switch between the two, no re-bedding required if both are Ferodo.
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08-28-2023, 10:04 PM | #119 | |
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Happy motoring and have bags of fun! Cheers! |
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08-31-2023, 06:48 PM | #120 | |
Drives: Track prepped 2018 Camaro ZL1 (a10) Join Date: Aug 2013
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Plus, I really don’t think there’s any way the stock pads can handle slicks if someone is driving really hard with them. I noticed the pedal started to feel differently on my car with SC3Rs annd stock pads, the car seemed to take longer to slow down as well, after they got hotter, motor trend said they also got brake fade on the ZLE at area 27
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08-31-2023, 06:50 PM | #121 |
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The Hawk DTC 60 and 70’s have not been noisy for me on the street and have had excellent cold bite even though I know they are not designed to, however, I just found out the hard way that if somebody does not wash the dust off the wheels, but still gets the wheels wet, it starts to form a hard concrete like substance, which is very hard to get off!
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08-31-2023, 09:06 PM | #122 | |
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In a case of Canyonero, pads should really not make a difference assuming he's is running stock rubber (which he should given his experience level) and on a track which is the fastest in N America. Meaning, momentum is king and there is really just one corner (T3), which requires harder braking. Others are low effort, more to point the car in, with 2 requiring moderate level at best (T5 and T8) and that's assuming one is pushing the car and truly maxing the mid corner pace. And then there is the fastest corner (T4) which requires zero braking. So, bottom line: there is not a heck of a lot of hard braking going on. ZLE has more of a disadvantage given the power and weight. I wonder if GM changes the brake fluid for those mag tests 😀 Cheers! |
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09-03-2023, 05:48 PM | #123 | |
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Most of the difference in lap time came from having the confidence to accelerate longer and brake later. I probably stay WOT for an extra 20-30 yards going into T8 at Mosport now. |
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09-04-2023, 11:01 AM | #124 | |
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For sure confidence matters re lap times, but it could be a two edged sword if the confidence increases faster than skill and ability to feel what the front and rear tires are doing slip angles wise. Do you run in Race setting? Also, at Mosport, what will reward lap times is higher mid corner speed, as by and large the corners are long and one spends a lot more time cornering vs braking. Especially in T8, T2, T3 and T5a and b combo, which is treated as a single corner. Also dont forget when approaching T5a you are climbing up 3 stories, so surprisingly one doesn't need to brake very aggressively and carrying the speed until the set up for 5b yields good benefits laptime wise. As far as T8, when you brake is not all that important vs how much speed you're carrying into it and then maintaining until T9. Have bags of fun hope it helps ya a bit. Cheers! |
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09-04-2023, 02:57 PM | #125 | |
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At TMP I used SRF with PTM in Sport 2. Haven't been back there since the new pads went in. Appreciate all the advice here |
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09-04-2023, 05:07 PM | #126 | |
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Having said that, on a track like Mosport, if you get pear shape it is 100% up to you to make any yaw corrections (with both Race and Sport 2 modes). Cheers! |
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