[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I agree...the Mag 2300 and 2.9 Whipple are still solid superchargers for builds under 850whp.

Either way I think you will be happy moving back to a basic supercharger setup. Mid 10 second street car full weight that drives like stock is plenty of fun for the street. I think you really enjoyed your 2016 when it was at that level. When you pushed and things started to break I could tell a lot of enjoyment was lost with the car. It's easy to go down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree, I turned it basically into a drag car that set on the 4 post lift between races and I raced a lot back then so it wasn't worth messing with changing back to 93 octane and throwing that tune in for a couple weeks. We drove it 12,000 miles and when I sold it the ticker was on about 12,500 miles, that's all I put on it in basically in 3 years before I sold it. What a waste but I really had fun racing it and at one point it was one of the fastest, then people would step up, then I had to do that also. Luckily, I had Magnuson helping with some of the expenses and all of the travel costs which is a huge saving when I'm going to 10 to 12 races a year.

[laynlo15]

Still waiting on a couple numbers from Brian at SCOL. Should have it wrapped up tomorrow. Then I need to figure the fueling, hopefully PI from THPSI. Just depends on cost and if I can't do that now I'll just set it up for 93 for the rest of the year since I'm trying to make it to the SCT in Indy and then the LS Fest. I can do the other later but just getting all dialed in to whatever I can do now. Time is passing by pretty fast.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

There you go @laynlo15! I’m bringing @radz28 over to the Whipple Dark Side.

Now that is awesome!

HAHAHAHA!!! Hopefully it goes without saying that I never looked down at a Whipple product. I just had more familiarity with Magnusons (more reading, and knowledge of TVS-products) is all. It's not the Dark Side to me It's a bonus that they have solutions for me, too.

Originally Posted by laynlo15

I don't have a dog in this hunt so more power to Radz. Guess he's getting a 3.0 Whipple. Mark is the one who handles Carb and I haven't spoken to him in a few months. I thought it was getting close to approved but not sure what the hold up is. Is the Whipple Carb approved for Cali? Better be some big numbers difference to swap out and do all that work. Maybe its worth it, just don't know

I've spoken with Mark a lot over the last few years, and am now speaking with someone else, who's been very transparent. I know they're still working on certification, and think I'll know what I need to know in the next few months. It's just CA BS - not Magnuson.

Whipples got 2.9, 3.0, AND 3.2 kits that are CARB-approved, and pulley sizes from 3.375" to 3.750" (from the 2.9 to 3.2), so there are definitely choices. I don't have ANY issue swapping over for exemption, lol. I don't want to if I don't have to though.

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Radz lives in California but doesn't have to have carb checked for several more years if I remember correctly

Yup. Mine was built 07/29/19 and I bought him 09/30/19, so I don't have to smog until 8-years after that. But if I get pulled over, and sent to the state referee, I wouldn't pass in this current condition, and have to pay a few hundred dollar fine and put the OEM one on.

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I agree...the Mag 2300 and 2.9 Whipple are still solid superchargers for builds under 850whp.

Either way I think you will be happy moving back to a basic supercharger setup. Mid 10 second street car full weight that drives like stock is plenty of fun for the street. I think you really enjoyed your 2016 when it was at that level. When you pushed and things started to break I could tell a lot of enjoyment was lost with the car. It's easy to go down the rabbit hole.

Most definitely. Super fun.

[laynlo15]

Well as I said before I don't have any real relationship with Magnuson anymore. Most everyone I worked with has left to work for Mike and Hubert went to work for an Aerospace company. Whipple has done a good job with their new blowers so if Magnuson can't get theirs approved and you move on then that's good for you in the long run. I talked to Mark about it several months back and as you said it CA not Magnuson. Good luck man, I know the Magnuson makes some good power and I'm sure the new 3.0 will match that performance with no issues

[asthmamax11]

Let's say he gets the 2300 Magnuson and the port injection system.

Assuming everything else is stock, how far can he push that setup and still be reliable?


This might pave the way to a solution for enthusiasts that don't want a complicated and expensive setup with Cam,Pistons, etc

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by asthmamax11

Let's say he gets the 2300 Magnuson and the port injection system.

Assuming everything else is stock, how far can he push that setup and still be reliable?


This might pave the way to a solution for enthusiasts that don't want a complicated and expensive setup with Cam,Pistons, etc

Port Injection will go further then the bottom end. It's more complicated then doing +30 Injectors and LPE pump. Both will support 700whp on E60 without going into the motor and that is about as far as I would take the stock bottom end. The tuning is also easier with the DI fuel upgrades vs port. The advantage to PI is that it would allow any amount of E vs still being limited to E60-65 with even with the DI upgrades on stock cam.

I do think in the end PI is a very good solution. But I am just pointing out that it's more complicated on the tuning side then most think. When you learn the tuning side like I have, it gives you a different perspective on things. So I personally prefer to fuel these engines DI only if using the factory ECU. E60 is plenty of octane anyway. And if you dialed the boost back to under 9 psi, you likely could run full E and have a simple OEM reliable setup.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by asthmamax11

Let's say he gets the 2300 Magnuson and the port injection system.

Assuming everything else is stock, how far can he push that setup and still be reliable?


This might pave the way to a solution for enthusiasts that don't want a complicated and expensive setup with Cam,Pistons, etc

The stock bottom end (SBE) would be the weakest link. Sadly, the stock piston ring gaps are too tight from the factory for high boost forced induction applications. It is truly a roll of the dice how far you can push your SBE as some are gapped tighter than others. Historically, 600rwhp-650rwhp seems to be the safe limit for stock bottom end and it is highly advised to either regap the stock piston rings at this point or go with forged drop in pistons and rods. Either way, it all has to come apart. There really is no other way around this.

[laynlo15]

I'm just going to stay under 600 rwhp. I know I can make 550 on the stock fueling and stock exhaust on 93, I did that 6 years ago on my 16 when I first did the Maggie and with only a PE change on Magnuson's original canned tune, it was very rich, now that was on a Hoosier Drag Pack which saves 100 lbs. No pushing anything ever again, I've went thru two short blocks, even with Magnuson's help on the first forged short block it still cost me a bunch of bucks, the second I got lucky that Carlyle racing had a Lt4 they had pulled out of a Zl1 with a BTR cam and I bought that at about half what I spent on the Manley Motor. At 600 rwhp or less I can run stock axles, DS without having to worry too much about breaking them at that power level. Gonna be lucky if my wife doesn't take off with the mailman after she finds out I'm considering another SC.

[toohighpsi]

Greg, you're not going to stay under 600 HP, we'll set that limit at staying under 700 RWHP. Normally I'd say more but you're getting kinda old...

I think the setup that Mike JR was running - with 1 psi less boost will be perfect for you.

https://youtu.be/9r4f8L4fy-8

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

Greg, you're not going to stay under 600 HP, we'll set that limit at staying under 700 RWHP. Normally I'd say more but you're getting kinda old...

I think the setup that Mike JR was running - with 1 psi less boost will be perfect for you.

https://youtu.be/9r4f8L4fy-8

Haha, well that coming from my old boss that kept telling me you need to go faster with the old Camaro, kept giving me parts to do that and tuning my car to make it go faster. I just wanted a nice little old ladies car until I met Mike. Then he hypnotized me and everyday I'd wake up and think I need to go faster so listen to Mike. Geez do I really need another blower knowing him? Hell yes I do.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

Greg, you're not going to stay under 600 HP, we'll set that limit at staying under 700 RWHP. Normally I'd say more but you're getting kinda old...

I think the setup that Mike JR was running - with 1 psi less boost will be perfect for you.

https://youtu.be/9r4f8L4fy-8

Come on now, he is very much still a spring chicken.

[ZO6Ted]

May be old but still kickin' hard! Ain't slowing down any time soon his car or his body. Cheers brother!

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by ZO6Ted

May be old but still kickin' hard! Ain't slowing down any time soon his car or his body. Cheers brother!

You got that right Ted. Back at ya

[asthmamax11]

Awesome
Very exciting