09-30-2020, 06:33 PM | #1 |
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Vorshlag Camber Plates Overview & info
Hey guys,
I recently installed the Vorshlag Camber plates on my SS 1LE while I have everything else apart. Here is a little video explaining them and some install tips...just a warning, I have my front subframe removed for other reasons lol. Vorshlag Camber Plate Overview -Jason |
09-30-2020, 10:35 PM | #2 |
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Great Video
Great Video Jason!!! It just so happens we installed these plates TODAY on my 2019 SS . We found that the range we can get now is -1.8 degrees negative camber all the way to roughly - 3.6 degrees negative camber.
We earlier installed the SG3 suspension and 1LE sway bars along with ZL1 brakes (all work here done by AMP). Anyway this weekend we will be trying the -3.6 degrees negative camber out on the 1.7 mile Motorsports Ranch at Cresson track. Although I DO NOT have MAG RIDE shocks, the struts that come with the SG3 suspension apparently are exactly the same diameter below the threads that are on top of the front strut when compared to a MAG RIDE shock. . The reason I mention this is that when I originally received my plates the top bearing and bottom bearing inside diameter was SMALLER so the MY STRUT would NOT go through the camber plate but Jason at VORSHLAG quickly corrected this for me by over nighting the correct bearings. The SHAFT size on the strut JUST below the threads at the top of the strut should be around 14MM which is the same as the MAG RIDE setup.
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10-01-2020, 07:24 AM | #3 | |
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Glad to hear you installed the plates! Sounds like you will get plenty of adjustment!
That is also some really go info on the shock diameters, thanks for sharing that with everyone. I am interested to see your impressions of the extra camber. What tires are you running? Quote:
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10-01-2020, 07:42 AM | #4 | |
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At Eagles Canyon I ran -2.0 degrees negative camber and that handled really well for a 300 treadwear tire. The front end DID push out some at the absolute limit when cornering so my hope is the extra camber will help some with that. The tires like a cold starting pressure of about 30 PSI and I would gain 5-6 PSI during the runs. I have include pictures of my STRUT that comes with the SG3 package and the VORSHLAG camber plate as it was ORIGINALLY shipped to me PRIOR to changing out to the 14MM bearings (MAG RIDE configuration)
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10-01-2020, 10:41 AM | #5 |
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i still need to get a set of these but i have aftermarket shocks/springs so im worried it may be an issue
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10-01-2020, 12:12 PM | #6 |
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aftermarket spring
It wont be an issue. Call JASON at VORSHLAG at 972 422 7170 and tell him exactly what you have. He has a spring perch to accommodate aftermarket springs which are generally LESS in diameter than the factory ones.
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10-01-2020, 07:48 PM | #8 | |
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All really good info, thanks for sharing! I've been running GY SC3R with a 305 square setup like you on Apex wheels too...except my car no longer sees much street use. I have a set of Hoosier A7s to try next time. I was able to get around -2.6 on the stock setup, but I did get a little bit of strut rub on one side. My tire wear suggests I could use a little more negative, so my target will be -3.2 next time out. I primarily run VIR and its very easy on tires, but it will eat thru to the outside cord on a rough track like Roebling Road. I guarantee the extra camber will help with the push you were experiencing. |
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10-01-2020, 09:17 PM | #9 |
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Thanks for the great video. I watched some of your other videos too - good job explaining everything in clear detail. Keep it up. Very few channels with real information that isn't a waste of time.
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10-01-2020, 11:19 PM | #10 | |
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The advantage in using the VORSHLAG camber plates is that if it doesnt rub WITHOUT the camber plates, then using the plates allows for more negative camber WITHOUT the negative side effect of moving the wheel closer to the strut which of course what typically happens WITHOUT camber plates. On a side note, when I ran my GY SC3R's on my previous car which was a 2019 ZL1 1LE A10 , I was getting only 1500 miles out of those tires street driving. As you are aware, those tires are DEADLY in the rain so since it was a daily driver as well, I knew something had to change after 2 sets of tires after roughly 12 weeks of use (LOL). Thats when I switched to a 2019 SS and modded it to get the handling I wanted.
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SR71BB, you are spot on with the advantages to running the camber plates...I always hated tilting the hub in so far, but at least we do have that adjustment since a lot of other strut cars don't. I think I have been through 5 sets of the 3Rs. I love them on the track, but I don't dare run them in any sort of moisture. I think they are a great compromise between price, grip, and heat cycles. I still have the stock 3s to run on the street. |
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my buddy just did that test on streets of willow and big willow and was about 2-3 seconds faster but they definately dont last on track/street use very long
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Depending on the track, track condition, car setup and skills, etc. Also the more experience I get with them the more I've been able to push. So far I'm faster by: 6 secs at COTA 6 secs at Cresson 3.1 3 secs at ECR 2.7 3 secs at Cresson 1.7 ccw |
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