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GT 500 vs ZL1
2020 Ford Mustang GT500
0-60 mph ----- 3.3 seconds Quarter Mile ----- 10.61 sec @ 133 MPH HP & Engine ----- 760 hp, SC 5.2 liter V8 Torque ----- 625 lb-ft 2019 Chevy Camaro ZL1 0-60 mph ----- 3.5 seconds Quarter Mile ----- 11.4 sec @ 127 MPH HP & Engine ----- 650 hp, SC 6.2 liter V8 Torque ----- 650 lb-ft Stumbled across this today while browsing the web. I immediately though to myself, what if the ZL1 had an additional 100 HP, how would the comparison above change? Curious if the ZL1 would perform better, equal to or just behind the GT500?
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Ok thanks, I'll check it out.
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My best guess is an additional 100 hp would get the ZL1 to within .2 of the GT500. I think it would take the ZL1 an extra 150hp to get to the low 10.6s. You could also get there with the extra 100hp if the car was about 250# lighter.
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Here are the cliff notes. The GT500's "10.6" was an individual owner time. The ZL1's 11.4 was a magazine time. You cannot compare those two fairly. Over here we typically compare owner times to owner times and magazine times to magazine times. In which case the ZL1 in individual owner hands has gone 10.9 which puts it within 3 tenths of a second of the GT500. In magazine times when tested together the GT500 went 11.4 and the ZL1 went 11.5 so that is only a 1 tenth of a second difference. So the GT500 is not much faster despite all that extra HP and being $20K to $30K more expensive depending on trim.
I would say that with only an extra 50 HP the ZL1 will toast the GT500 if not completely match it. This is because the ZL1 is a much better engineered car than the GT500 is. GM typically underpowers their cars and still manages to keep up with the competition's mega HP gorillas. However when GM's cars have the HP advantage or matches the HP or comes even within 20-30 HP it typically is unfair because the competition would have no chance. Which is why Ford and Dodge won't come at the 755 HP ZR1. They'll get murdered. They won't even come at the Z06. And that is in a straight line. Throw them on a track and it's lights out. So GM has to keep the power lower to make it fair for Ford and Dodge and so it would actually be a challenge instead of just completely obliterating the competition. This will be demonstrated soon when the C8 Z06 arrives. It will still be underpowered but it is gonna take the GT500's lunch. Last edited by BlaqWhole; 03-23-2020 at 07:45 PM. |
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It's already over 400 lbs lighter than the GT500. Assuming A10 ZL1 (non-1LE) and GT500 without big rear wing, same tires (eg. both on PSC2--more grip hot than GY SC3), why would a lighter car with equal HP and maybe 100 lb-ft more TQ still be slower than the GT500? |
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Yea except the zl1 is already capable of being a 10.9 car just 3 tenths off of the gt500. Thats the gt500s record run, same as the zl1s best hero run of 10.9. Those 11.4-11.6 numbers for the zl1 are magazine numbers on a street surface where the gt500 is a 11.3-11.5 car. In reality, in good hands the gt500 is a high tens car and the zl1 is a low 11s car when talking about good non hero runs, probably no more than .5 of a difference, another hundred horsepower would probably tie that up for the zl1.
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You do have a typo though bhole.... 10.9 not 11.9 lol
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Thanks. Corrected. |
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There are a lot of things the ZL1 has that allows it to keep up with cars that have much more HP. A few of those things are better weight distribution, eLSD, better ECU and trans tuning, of course as mentioned it is lighter, the A10 trans and the gear ratios, etc. Which is why as we have said, the ZL1 in individual owner hands is only about 3 tenths of a second off from the GT500 in individual owner hands. When tested by a magazine and without every single last factor being ideal, the GT500 and ZL1 are pretty much neck and neck. The ZL1 has been 11.4-11.6 while the GT500 has been 11.3 to 11.5. I am not getting into which trim did what. On top of that, when the timers were removed and the test involved which car could cover the quarter mile distance first, the ZL1 beat the GT500 pretty soundly. So there is that. The ZL1 would not need 750+ HP to match the GT500. It would utterly destroy the GT500 without putting up a sweat if it had the same HP. If the ZL1 had even 700 HP it would be lights out. Like I said, the ZL1 is a much better engineered car than anything Ford can make. |
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Now that begs the question, what is the easiest way to get an additional 100 HP? Headers, CAI and a tune, or is that more like a 60 HP gain? Although those 3 may be enough to take the GT500.
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