12-22-2019, 07:14 PM | #5545 |
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Looks like a hell of a deal.
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12-22-2019, 07:35 PM | #5546 |
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If that's the case, then I'm wrong. But according to what I saw when trying to build one, it was never shown so I had to assume it wasn't added in. I'll wait until I see one in a local dealer and will probably go in and check it out. It's so cal so definitely more likely to have higher adms. I'll get a picture of the sticker and post it up if/when I get one.
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12-22-2019, 10:23 PM | #5548 |
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12-23-2019, 12:10 AM | #5549 |
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Perhaps it was a typo. Or perhaps...some people are getting charged for that fee twice.
What I like about all this is that the Vette is at such a level of performance that now just beating any of them in anything makes the competition look good. No matter what the stats are of anything else, if it can compete with the entry level vette with a Z51 package then it must be a really good car. Here, the top tier Mustang costs $94K and has 760 supercharged HP and CF components and all this tech attached to it. And all that matters is that it can compete with the lowest level NA 495 HP Vette at $65K. And only around a track. Which again proves that dollar for dollar the only thing that can compete with Chevy is Chevy. Ford has nothing under $70K that can match the Vette at anything. And it just might turn out that even over $90K the GT500 can't beat a ZLE. Again, these are all cars that cost under $70K. And it is impressive when the competition has a $10K+ price hike, 110 more HP, still manages to lose at 3 different things, but can beat it a Vette in one thing. That's what the Ford guys are happy about. Being faster at 1 out of 4 things. |
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12-23-2019, 07:15 AM | #5551 | |
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12-23-2019, 07:58 AM | #5554 | |
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Here is a question if you are correct and the direct competitor to Shelby is the Corvette do you think any of the R&D and planning that went into the 5th and 6th Gen Shelbys were based on the Corvette performance at the time, or was it based on the Z28 and ZL1? If you can show me some proof that their target was the Vette or the Vette targeting the Shelby I'd love to see it.
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12-23-2019, 08:16 AM | #5555 |
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A typical Corvette buyer is probably not looking at Mustang GTs.
You can bet buyers considering the GT500 are looking at C8s... the same could probably be said about GT350/R and C7 Grand Sport. |
12-23-2019, 08:30 AM | #5556 |
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Interesting weekend!
Some curious posts: GT500 and Vette owners won't track their cars. Ford's own website is wrong about GG tax. Martin is wrong about the history of Shelby taking aim at Corvettes even though he already posted it quite some time ago...1965 rings a bell here.
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12-23-2019, 08:47 AM | #5557 | |
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I can't speak definitively for who Ford targeted because I did not work in their competitor intel group (although I do know those guys...professional courtesy). But I can say how I would have informed the Ford Performance team if my office was in Dearborn instead of Warren. And I can speak for Gen 5 and Gen 6 Camaro as well as C7 and C8 Corvette and I know who was targeted at what level. My team provided the powertrain systems and performance intel on those targets. My team very specifically told both Camaro and Corvette teams that M5 GT500 and M6 GT350 / GT500 were upping their game and looking to compete with top end Camaros by delivering Corvette level performance. And we also very specifically informed Corvette team that GT500 was aiming somewhere between Z06 and ZR1. This was based on the specs that we were aware of at the time. Some of those specs changed by the time GT500 came to market. They all changed for the better, probably due to Ford's CI people possibly getting better intel on C8 (Tremec).
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