[kttxz06]

My dealer called me today. The one I bought my GT350 from. Said if I put in a deposit, they'd sell me one at $5k ADM. Haha. I'm cool with him so I asked, honestly, what are ya'll gonna do on the first run. He said $10k ADM minimum. So, I was thinking $20k, but $10k. Eh, it's whatever. $5k. Eh, he knows me and knows I'd prob run my dumb ass up there and buy one at $5k over. But I told him, if it's the Silver with the black stripes and loaded out, call me. I'll trade the 350 in on it. Honestly, for me, $5k isn't too too bad. That's about as much as I would go.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

My dealer called me today. The one I bought my GT350 from. Said if I put in a deposit, they'd sell me one at $5k ADM. Haha. I'm cool with him so I asked, honestly, what are ya'll gonna do on the first run. He said $10k ADM minimum. So, I was thinking $20k, but $10k. Eh, it's whatever. $5k. Eh, he knows me and knows I'd prob run my dumb ass up there and buy one at $5k over. But I told him, if it's the Silver with the black stripes and loaded out, call me. I'll trade the 350 in on it. Honestly, for me, $5k isn't too too bad. That's about as much as I would go.

He'll get that extra 5k on your trade in. Depreciation on that 350 will be killer and he knows it.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

In all fairness (can't believe I'm defending the GT500 yet again, lol), all it has to do is beat the ZL1 in a straight line and then beat the Hellcat and Redeye in cornering. It doesn't have to beat the ZLE in cornering nor does it have to beat the Redeye in a straight line. But just coming in somewhere in the middle should be enough. Asking it to do both isn't fair. I mean, even the Z06 can't do both. And I don't think even the ZR1 can do both either. In fact I don't think there is any car that can accomplish both of those feats that costs under $100K. If the GT500 does accomplish it then I will be more than impressed. If it comes in somewhere in the middle then that would be more than satisfactory. Sure they had forever and a day to build it. But we are still limited in what we can do with cars these days. Especially if the goal is to stay under $80K while still also offering comparable options.

So that is where I leave the GT500 at. Beat the ZL1 in the quarter mile, beat the Redeye around a track, have comparable options, keep the MSRP to around $80K max, get it to people without markups, and make sure it is a dependable product without the issues that the S550 has been plagued with. Do that and you've got a winner. That is not too much to ask.

Very fair reasonable post. Although I hope it can match or beat Redeye times.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

My dealer called me today. The one I bought my GT350 from. Said if I put in a deposit, they'd sell me one at $5k ADM. Haha. I'm cool with him so I asked, honestly, what are ya'll gonna do on the first run. He said $10k ADM minimum. So, I was thinking $20k, but $10k. Eh, it's whatever. $5k. Eh, he knows me and knows I'd prob run my dumb ass up there and buy one at $5k over. But I told him, if it's the Silver with the black stripes and loaded out, call me. I'll trade the 350 in on it. Honestly, for me, $5k isn't too too bad. That's about as much as I would go.

At $5K over I'd probably swallow my pride and buy one. I have a call out to my dealership too. We'll see what they hit me with. I really want a M5, Z06, ZR1, X6M, or GTR tho. But if it's reasonable enough then I'll settle for a GT500.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Very fair reasonable post. Although I hope it can match or beat Redeye times.

When the ZL1 was introduced in 2017, it did both. It matched the Hellcat in a straight line and beat the GT350R on a road course. Dodge and Ford’s top offering in the segment in 2017. Then there was the ZLE.

The ZL1 matching the Hellcat’s straight line while elevating the standard for handling was reasonable but you didn’t think so then.

Beating the R with the ZL1, sparing it facing the actual track car, the ZLE. You didn’t think that was reasonable because it had a 125 HP advantage.

The GT500 will have power/weight equal to the Redeye on the foundation of the GT350. Ford fans dream. The minimum for fair and reasonable, by your standard, would be the GT500 matching the Redeye in a straight line and the under powered (likely by 125 HP) ZLE on a road course. Spare the ZLE the embarrassment of facing the actual track car, GT500TP.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

When the ZL1 was introduced in 2017, it did both. It matched the Hellcat in a straight line and beat the GT350R on a road course. Dodge and Ford’s top offering in the segment in 2017. Then there was the ZLE.

The ZL1 matching the Hellcat’s straight line while elevating the standard for handling was reasonable but you didn’t think so then.

Beating the R with the ZL1, sparing it facing the actual track car, the ZLE. You didn’t think that was reasonable because it had a 125 HP advantage.

The GT500 will have power/weight equal to the Redeye on the foundation of the GT350. Ford fans dream. The minimum for fair and reasonable, by your standard, would be the GT500 matching the Redeye in a straight line and the under powered (likely by 125 HP) ZLE on a road course. Spare the ZLE the embarrassment of facing the actual track car, GT500TP.

Problem with above is it hasn't matched the HC. The reviewed number to beat is 11:00s.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem with above is it hasn't matched the HC. The reviewed number to beat is 11:00s.

No problem. Make the GT500 a drivers race with the the Redeye and eek out a road course win against the underpowered ZLE? Reasonable for you?

Edit: BTW. I’m referring to 2017. Pre-wide-body HC. 100% stock (tires too)

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Problem with above is it hasn't matched the HC. The reviewed number to beat is 11:00s.

It beat the Hellcat up until the Widebody came out in 2018. And that is a $7,000 option. Again, another car that needed significant changes and costs significantly more money that can finally beat an unchanged Camaro. At that the Camaro is closer to the Hellcat in a straight line than the Hellcat can ever come close to on a course.

What I don't get is that you criticize the ZL1 for not being able to beat a car that is designed only for straight line acceleration. But the ZL1 beats the GT350R which is designed only for the track and that's not good enough. The R can't even get close to the Hellcat or, putting it on equal ground, even the M6 ZL1 in a straight line. But according to you that's ok because the Shelby isn't a straight line car. I said it before, your criticisms are extremely biased and are only focused on the ZL1's 1 area where it isn't the best...not any other car for their multitude of inadequacies, just the ZL1 for 1 area. When it comes to the Hellcat all that matters to you is straight line and how the less powerful unchanged ZL1 which wasn't designed for straight line hasn't done an 11 flat in a reviewed test. Then you flip flop with the GT350(R) and all of a sudden straight line doesn't matter anymore because now it's all about how the ZL1 beat the R by "only" X amount of time.

So by your assessment of the ZL1, you should disagree with my previous post about how the GT500 shouldn't have to beat the Redeye and the ZLE. Especially given that it had way more time in development than it's two competitors put together.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

No problem. Make the GT500 a drivers race with the the Redeye and eek out a road course win against the underpowered ZLE? Reasonable for you?

Edit: BTW. I’m referring to 2017. Pre-wide-body HC. 100% stock (tires too)

Pre-Widebody on stock tires and the Hellcat is no match for the ZL1 in any instrumented test. At best the A8 Hellcat has matched the M6 ZL1 with both doing 11.8 but it got nowhere close to the A10 at anything. Newmoon knows this and so do all of the other recently discovered Hellcat fanatics. The WB option is $7K. So at that price point you can hardly even call the two cars actual competitors.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

No problem. Make the GT500 a drivers race with the the Redeye and eek out a road course win against the underpowered ZLE? Reasonable for you?

Edit: BTW. I’m referring to 2017. Pre-wide-body HC. 100% stock (tires too)

Sucks when you have to refer to Chevy's best supercharged Camaro as underpowered, but when its not up against an n/a competitor I suppose that's the reality. My prediction is the GT500 outperforms the ZL1 on track and strip and is equal to a Redeye. The ZLE is way too good of a track car for me to believe Ford is focused enough on beating.

We'll know in 8 months LOL...God help us.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Sucks when you have to refer to Chevy's best supercharged Camaro as underpowered, but when its not up against an n/a competitor I suppose that's the reality. My prediction is the GT500 outperforms the ZL1 on track and strip and is equal to a Redeye. The ZLE is way too good of a track car for me to believe Ford is focused enough on beating.

We'll know in 8 months LOL...God help us.

The SS 1le holds its own against the gt350 at $20,000 less. So I think GM did a very good job for a NA car. And it’s not far behind the 350r which is $30,000 more. So nice try tho.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Sucks when you have to refer to Chevy's best supercharged Camaro as underpowered, but when its not up against an n/a competitor I suppose that's the reality. My prediction is the GT500 outperforms the ZL1 on track and strip and is equal to a Redeye. The ZLE is way too good of a track car for me to believe Ford is focused enough on beating.

We'll know in 8 months LOL...God help us.

I suppose it works in your favor when you have 6 years to build a car as opposed to everyone else doing it in 1 year. Sucks that after 6 years it still won't match the ZLE and will only be "equal" to the Redeye.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

The SS 1le holds its own against the gt350 at $20,000 less. So I think GM did a very good job for a NA car. And it’s not far behind the 350r which is $30,000 more. So nice try tho.

SS 1LE is a second behind the PP2 and 4 seconds behind the R. It would be 2-3 seconds behind a reg 350 , thats a lifetime on a road course i've been told.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

SS 1LE is a second behind the PP2 and 4 seconds behind the R. It would be 2-3 seconds behind a reg 350 , thats a lifetime on a road course i've been told.

Where are you getting this bogus info, your imagination. Are you really going by LL times?