Sales numbers in Europe (since 2014 on).

Eos · 03-05-2018, 11:58 AM

Hi there!,
I've found an interesting sales chart of the Camaro models here in Europe: the link will provide you sales numbers starting from 2014 on.

Here is the chart page:
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...vrolet-camaro/

Just remember that the 6th Generation Camaro has started deliveries here in Europe since late November 2016, so all the numbers you see allocated on previous months/years are referred to the last 2014-2016 5th Generation cars.

See you!!,
Eos

MaxxRPM · 03-05-2018, 04:17 PM

So is a Camaro an expensive car over there?

arpad_m · 03-05-2018, 05:05 PM

Very.

In Hungary, where I'm from originally, the 2SS sells for the equivalent of $58-60k new. One also needs to factor in way higher maintenance costs and gas prices that are several times higher than here in the US (but then the lowest octane rating you can get is 95, go figure).

CruzySS · 03-05-2018, 05:19 PM

I'm assuming a bunch of this cost is for shipping

WhyUMad1LE · 03-05-2018, 05:43 PM

Displacement tax!

FreBMX · 03-06-2018, 12:30 AM

While in Belgium camaro’s are still somewhat ‘affordable’, around 40k for the 2.0 and 50k for the V8, it’s the taxes that makes it almost impossible to drive the V8 here.

Akura · 03-06-2018, 05:06 AM

The problem in Spain is that you have to buy the car in another EU country, like FR, GE, IT, LX... If you decide to do it, there´s another slap with the registration taxes: 14,75% from the MSRP. So if you buy a F/E V8 in Germany (about 55000€), you have to pay in Spain aprox 8200€ more to drive it (plus the transport from GE to ES, 900-1000€).

Too, the gas prices in Spain are higher than in the US: 1,25€/liter for 95 RON (91 US) or 1,38€/liter for 98 RON (93 US).

soldes · 03-06-2018, 06:36 AM

Positive : it has some exclusivity to it what you can't say for a medium spec'd 3 series BMW for the same price
Negative : hope GM doesn't stop selling them through official channels by the time I'm ready for a 7th gen

UK Camaro · 03-06-2018, 10:19 AM

In December 2016 I bought a UK Spec SS (though it's not badged as SS here in Europe). It cost £40,000 on the road including taxes. The annual road tax at £525 is top end but well worth it for such a fantastic car.

In some parts of Europe the sales taxes and annual road tax are exorbitant.

FreBMX · 03-06-2018, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UK Camaro

In December 2016 I bought a UK Spec SS (though it's not badged as SS here in Europe). It cost £40,000 on the road including taxes. The annual road tax at £525 is top end but well worth it for such a fantastic car.

In some parts of Europe the sales taxes and annual road tax are exorbitant.

Really? That’s amazing! That’s similar to what I have to pay for a 2.0.
V8 would cost me +10k one time fee, plus additional 5k a year on tax. It’s ridicilous here

Eos · 03-06-2018, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxxRPM

So is a Camaro an expensive car over there?

Not really, if compared to the value for money you get instead of a similarly equipped Audi A5 Coupé or BMW 4 Series. The real problem in Italy is the crazy taxation and the fuel cost (about 1.55 EUR per liter at the moment), if compared to the US.

Let's make a couple of examples for the 2.0 Turbo (2LT RS equivalent) and V8 (2SS equivalent) here in Italy:

Camaro 2.0 Turbo Automatic Coupé
List price: about 43,000.00 EUR, including 22% VAT
Registration costs: 924.00 EUR
Annual ownership tax: 653,00 EUR
Annual luxury tax: 340,00 EUR

Camaro V8 Manual Coupé
List price: about 53,000.00 EUR, including 22% VAT
Registration costs: 1,524.00 EUR
Annual ownership tax: 1,160.00
Annual luxury tax: 2,960.00 EUR

Now.. see for yourself the reason why big engines/powers are not so welcome here! And you still have to add insurance costs, too.

See you!!,
Eos

UK Camaro · 03-06-2018, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreBMX

Really? That’s amazing! That’s similar to what I have to pay for a 2.0.
V8 would cost me +10k one time fee, plus additional 5k a year on tax. It’s ridicilous here

To be fair, mine was one of the first with the USD to GBP pricing fixed prior to the vote for the UK to leave the EU which caused the pound to plummet.

Soleil · 03-06-2018, 01:37 PM

In Germany the 6Gen V8 cost around 65700US$
The ZL1 around 129000US$

and we have only around 15 official GM dealer.

samurai · 03-07-2018, 04:26 AM

But you have to add a few details:
EU V8s are always a 2SS with navigation and you get MR+NPP for 2.000€ on top.

I pay for my new EU V8 with MR+NPP about 51,000€ in Germany, that's about $63,000.
But there's 19% tax included, so the base price would be 42,857€ which is $53,168. If I build the same car on chevrolet.com I get a Net price of about $47,000.

So of course the car is more expensive here in Germany, but I don't think it is an insane amount with in mind that every car here is quite more expensive than in the US market. A Golf R (2.0l 4 cylinder turbo with 300hp) is about the same price as the V8 Camaro.

03-05-2018, 11:58 AM	#1
Eos Drives: Camaro Coupé 2.0T AT8 (EU version) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 316 View My Garage	Sales numbers in Europe (since 2014 on). Hi there!, I've found an interesting sales chart of the Camaro models here in Europe: the link will provide you sales numbers starting from 2014 on. Here is the chart page: http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...vrolet-camaro/ Just remember that the 6th Generation Camaro has started deliveries here in Europe since late November 2016, so all the numbers you see allocated on previous months/years are referred to the last 2014-2016 5th Generation cars. See you!!, Eos

03-06-2018, 05:06 AM	#7
Akura Drives: ´18 ZL1 A10 Red Hot 😍 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Madrid, SPAIN Posts: 355	The problem in Spain is that you have to buy the car in another EU country, like FR, GE, IT, LX... If you decide to do it, there´s another slap with the registration taxes: 14,75% from the MSRP. So if you buy a F/E V8 in Germany (about 55000€), you have to pay in Spain aprox 8200€ more to drive it (plus the transport from GE to ES, 900-1000€). Too, the gas prices in Spain are higher than in the US: 1,25€/liter for 95 RON (91 US) or 1,38€/liter for 98 RON (93 US). __________________ First ZL1 in Spain (Madrid)! Red Hot, A10, PDR, carbon fiber hood & grounds effects...

03-06-2018, 10:19 AM	#9
UK Camaro Drives: 2017 Yellow UK Spec Camaro Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Bournemouth, UK Posts: 47	In December 2016 I bought a UK Spec SS (though it's not badged as SS here in Europe). It cost £40,000 on the road including taxes. The annual road tax at £525 is top end but well worth it for such a fantastic car. In some parts of Europe the sales taxes and annual road tax are exorbitant. __________________ Rich Rogers 2017 Yellow UK Spec Camaro Bournemouth England

03-06-2018, 01:37 PM	#13
Soleil Drives: Camaro 50th anniversary edition Join Date: May 2017 Location: Europe Posts: 2,203 View My Garage	In Germany the 6Gen V8 cost around 65700US$ The ZL1 around 129000US$ and we have only around 15 official GM dealer. __________________ Soleil _____________________________________________ A car is fast enough, if you fear to unlock it in the morning." (Walter Roehrl)

03-05-2018, 04:17 PM	#2
MaxxRPM Drives: 2016 Camaro NFG 1SS A8 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: St. Louis Posts: 83	So is a Camaro an expensive car over there?

03-05-2018, 05:05 PM	#3
arpad_m Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 12,009 View My Garage	Very. In Hungary, where I'm from originally, the 2SS sells for the equivalent of $58-60k new. One also needs to factor in way higher maintenance costs and gas prices that are several times higher than here in the US (but then the lowest octane rating you can get is 95, go figure).

03-05-2018, 05:19 PM	#4
CruzySS Drives: 2016 Camaro 2ss Join Date: May 2017 Location: Annandale MN Posts: 588 View My Garage	I'm assuming a bunch of this cost is for shipping

03-05-2018, 05:43 PM	#5
WhyUMad1LE Drives: 17 SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 1,920	Displacement tax!

03-06-2018, 12:30 AM	#6
FreBMX Drives: 2017 Camaro rs Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Belgium Posts: 23	While in Belgium camaro’s are still somewhat ‘affordable’, around 40k for the 2.0 and 50k for the V8, it’s the taxes that makes it almost impossible to drive the V8 here.

03-06-2018, 06:36 AM	#8
soldes Drives: car Join Date: May 2016 Location: europe Posts: 104	Positive : it has some exclusivity to it what you can't say for a medium spec'd 3 series BMW for the same price Negative : hope GM doesn't stop selling them through official channels by the time I'm ready for a 7th gen

03-07-2018, 04:26 AM	#14
samurai Drives: C8 Corvette Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 641	But you have to add a few details: EU V8s are always a 2SS with navigation and you get MR+NPP for 2.000€ on top. I pay for my new EU V8 with MR+NPP about 51,000€ in Germany, that's about $63,000. But there's 19% tax included, so the base price would be 42,857€ which is $53,168. If I build the same car on chevrolet.com I get a Net price of about $47,000. So of course the car is more expensive here in Germany, but I don't think it is an insane amount with in mind that every car here is quite more expensive than in the US market. A Golf R (2.0l 4 cylinder turbo with 300hp) is about the same price as the V8 Camaro.

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