[Arex]

Hey guys, Im still debating on the Manual vs A8 like everyone else and Im 80% sure Im going with an A8 due to the fact the Manual has skipshift and Im afraid of messing up my car since its not a basic Manual.

I alo read that the A8 shifts at different speeds depending on whether or not the car's computer thinks the car is being driven hard or not, correct?

I also know the A8 could be prone to overheating during high performance driving, but should I be worried if I do decide to track the car or go on spirited drives on canyon roads?

Lastly, I know revving the engine at a stop with a manual is typically okay, but how do you rev an automatic without damaging anything? Or, dont rev at all? Lol sorry, total sportscar newbie here, last car was a 2015 DSG GTI.

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

from having the nA8 vs the 5th gens A6, a couple of things I can say...

in traffic, driving hard, and spirited on open roads, with an external cooler on my 5th gen LgX, I was getting to temps of 200-210 degrees. before the external cooler, I was seeing as high as 227 degrees.

now in the 6th gen, the highest I have seen is 192. given on any modern automotive transmission, the operating temp range is 175-195, i'm within range for not shortening fluid life.

theres also a heavy duty cooling package. more than likely it will be available for add on parts if you didn't get it stock, but if you order the package (with the RS package) its only 485$ and you get the bigger brakes as well....a steal in my view.

depending on mode, the shift patterns do change. most to and from work, or weekend stuff I leave it in touring mode. I've been getting 35mpg+ with the lgx v6. in sport mode, things are more "track like"... and with A/C off, and you kick it a nickel, the tires let you know verbally.

no need to rev at a stop. unless you're trying to show off or be what the internet world would call an attention whore, just "sit still look pretty"

now racing from a stop, that's another story. powerbrake it and go!

[Arex]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

from having the nA8 vs the 5th gens A6, a couple of things I can say...

in traffic, driving hard, and spirited on open roads, with an external cooler on my 5th gen LgX, I was getting to temps of 200-210 degrees. before the external cooler, I was seeing as high as 227 degrees.

now in the 6th gen, the highest I have seen is 192. given on any modern automotive transmission, the operating temp range is 175-195, i'm within range for not shortening fluid life.

theres also a heavy duty cooling package. more than likely it will be available for add on parts if you didn't get it stock, but if you order the package (with the RS package) its only 485$ and you get the bigger brakes as well....a steal in my view.

depending on mode, the shift patterns do change. most to and from work, or weekend stuff I leave it in touring mode. I've been getting 35mpg+ with the lgx v6. in sport mode, things are more "track like"... and with A/C off, and you kick it a nickel, the tires let you know verbally.

no need to rev at a stop. unless you're trying to show off or be what the internet world would call an attention whore, just "sit still look pretty"

now racing from a stop, that's another story. powerbrake it and go!

Thank you for your input. In respect to engine revving, I just thought it would be cool to show off the engine note to friends without actually moving, haha...

[PolynesianPowerhouse]

Originally Posted by Arex

Thank you for your input. In respect to engine revving, I just thought it would be cool to show off the engine note to friends without actually moving, haha...

From a lot of experience with automatics since the early 2000s, autos usually sound best in gear with a load on the engine. In park and neutral most times they can be limited on how high they Rev.

Wanna wind it out, be in gear and on the go.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Arex

Hey guys, Im still debating on the Manual vs A8 like everyone else and Im 80% sure Im going with an A8 due to the fact the Manual has skipshift and Im afraid of messing up my car since its not a basic Manual.

I alo read that the A8 shifts at different speeds depending on whether or not the car's computer thinks the car is being driven hard or not, correct?

I also know the A8 could be prone to overheating during high performance driving, but should I be worried if I do decide to track the car or go on spirited drives on canyon roads?

Lastly, I know revving the engine at a stop with a manual is typically okay, but how do you rev an automatic without damaging anything? Or, dont rev at all? Lol sorry, total sportscar newbie here, last car was a 2015 DSG GTI.

CAGS (skipshift) can be disabled with an aftermarket module. I would not even let it be a concern. The M6 is solid. You can't mess it up any easier than any other manual. So not sure what you mean by "basic" manual.

Correct the A8 behavior is tied to the drive mode and also can sense when it's being driven hard and will automatically adjust to hold shifts, downshift sooner, etc...

The A8 in the C7 is known for overheating on the track in AUTO mode. The design for the Camaro is significantly different in terms of layout and cooling. That being said there's been no reports of overheating yet, but not nearly enough people have tracked it at this point.

How did you rev your DSG? Put it in neutral Realistically this isn't a great idea when driving in autos. Can cause extra wear in tear when it slams back into gear.

[JDP Sales]

My A8 won't rev in Neutral. It will only rev in Park and only to like 4,000 I think. Its enough RPM to make the NPP bark and scare my kids.

I LOVE my A8!!! Do it!

All the best,

Jared Royce
801.545.4215

[HumanWiki]

I have yet to get my A8 to get over the middle temp line. Even at RA in manual mode beating on it it never got hot. Hell, driving on the streets and in traffic around here, it barely even moves off the 2nd and 3rd lines from the left. For the 1st week, I actually thought that gauge wasn't working.

We'll see if this behavior continues through summer here.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by JDP Sales

My A8 won't rev in Neutral. It will only rev in Park and only to like 4,000 I think. Its enough RPM to make the NPP bark and scare my kids.

I LOVE my A8!!! Do it!

All the best,

Jared Royce
801.545.4215

That's probably a good thing then!

[Tuned Camaro]

My C7 was M7. My SS is A8.

If you really really love driving a manual then go M6. But if you are relatively indifferent the A8 is really worth considering. It is so far ahead of the 4L60E we had back in the LS1 days. The adaptive capabilities are excellent and keep the shifts optimized as time goes on. The torque management implemented will go a long way to keeping the transmission alive. A lot of people think the torque management is a negative but it allows for very quick shifts while not tearing things up.

The cooling on the SS is excellent so that should not be a concern.

[Arex]

I never really rev'd my dsg... it's a turbo4 banger, highest rev was like 3k rpm I did in park (didn't think it would sound great anyways)

I've driven a manual once or twice, but ultimately feel an automatic is better for my DD car as I frequent high traffic areas.

[mjw930]

On a DSG / PDK you pull both levers, it puts the car in neutral. The newer dual clutch boxes also can go into a coast mode when you enable auto start/stop which disengages both clutches when you are cruising and the situation doesn't require thrust, it's all computer controlled. The 2017 Porsche PDK will also offer "half gears". Under light load it actually slips both clutches providing an effective gear ration between the 2 gears selected to again, increase fuel economy. It's really pretty amazing what they can do with the transmissions these days but if you boil it down all they are doing is mimicking what torque converter based transmissions have been doing for decades.

As for the A8, it's a very good transmission. Much better than the trans it replaces but still, IMHO, a step behind the ZF and certainly not as "talented" as a PDK. Would I chose it, absolutely, we did on our 2016 2SS and are very happy with it. Unless you are a true manual lover, and many here are, there nothing lost selecting the A8. You will never heat stress it on a public road and it's probably track worthy with the added cooling development they have done since the C7 debut of the trans 2 years ago.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by PolynesianPowerhouse

from having the nA8 vs the 5th gens A6, a couple of things I can say...

in traffic, driving hard, and spirited on open roads, with an external cooler on my 5th gen LgX, I was getting to temps of 200-210 degrees. before the external cooler, I was seeing as high as 227 degrees.

now in the 6th gen, the highest I have seen is 192. given on any modern automotive transmission, the operating temp range is 175-195, i'm within range for not shortening fluid life.

theres also a heavy duty cooling package. more than likely it will be available for add on parts if you didn't get it stock, but if you order the package (with the RS package) its only 485$ and you get the bigger brakes as well....a steal in my view.

depending on mode, the shift patterns do change. most to and from work, or weekend stuff I leave it in touring mode. I've been getting 35mpg+ with the lgx v6. in sport mode, things are more "track like"... and with A/C off, and you kick it a nickel, the tires let you know verbally.

no need to rev at a stop. unless you're trying to show off or be what the internet world would call an attention whore, just "sit still look pretty"

now racing from a stop, that's another story. powerbrake it and go!

A few years back a buddy of mine, who owns a transmission repair/rebuild shop that 220 degrees is not an issue for modern transmissions, they are designed for that temp. It's not until you hit around 235/240 that it's starting to get too warm.

[12blkgrayRS]

Originally Posted by IOMike

A few years back a buddy of mine, who owns a transmission repair/rebuild shop that 220 degrees is not an issue for modern transmissions, they are designed for that temp. It's not until you hit around 235/240 that it's starting to get too warm.

Autocrossing yesterday mine got as high as 233 after my 3rd run. I parked it to cool it down, didn't get to run my last run. We have a GM regional parts director in our Camaro club, he's going to look into seeing if the SS system will retro fit to the V6. I need it. aftermarket systems will not work with this car since the pipes are quick connects. Unless I do some cutting which I would like to avoid.

[cleoent]

Today I did some canyon carving with the a8 in its perchance shift mode. It's brilliant. Fast up and down shifts. Can't wait to try it on the track. I drove the m6 and thought the gearing was off, it didn't feel as fast and bad ass as the a8. Ymmv