[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Just arguing for sake arguing. This is about current 6gen camaro and 6gen mustang.

Yea we know Ford took a big leap towards mod motor technology that only paid dividends a couple times until 2011. Can we move on?

Hey man, I'm just telling dude that the GT is not doing anything impressive considering it should have been doing low 12s all along. And considering it's lack of performance for the past quarter of a century nobody is gonna sit here praising and applauding it.

Even if the GT is a low 12 and can be duplicated I still would like to see how well it actually drives and performs in DD activity. And I'd like to see if Ford addressed any of the many issues that has been plaguing the S550 since it came out.

[drew peacock]

who gives a rats ass how fast this thing is.
it' as ugly as hell
will still drive dreadful.
all mustangs made drive badly and this thing will be no different.
another smoke and mirrors excersize into fooling you idiots to part with ya cash for a glorified taunus

[DiGiam]

Its all ok folks. The 19 Camaro will still be 200lbs lighter and should utilize the same A10 transmission. If Gm gives it a power bump it will be lightning fast. If not, it should still be faster than 12.0 because of the lighter weight. It should be a pretty fun car

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

who gives a rats ass how fast this thing is.
it' as ugly as hell
will still drive dreadful.
all mustangs made drive badly and this thing will be no different.
another smoke and mirrors excersize into fooling you idiots to part with ya cash for a glorified taunus

I agree. I don't think Ford can get away with building a good engine and putting it in a crappy car anymore. Especially when they brought the price up a considerable amount and when the competition is building such solid vehicles. If the GT is gonna be in the same price range as the Camaro then it's gonna have to perform considerably well and they have to address the issues it has. And at it's price range it can't be a car that the aftermarket has to build up. It's gotta come out the factory very well built.

[georgez32]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissa...t-test-review/

MT, 370Z, tested 13.3-13.6.

And I didn't say the SS did a 12.2. I said it is in the 12.2 range. Which it is since Hotrod magazine pulled off a 12.21 and MT did a 12.3 while others did 12.4. Try paying attention and a little bit of reading comprehension.



And no, the 3000GT and 300ZXs did not beat the Z28 SS. They were neck and neck in the mid 13s. Guess which car wasn't even close to that. Right, the Mustang GT. And for the record, the 3000GT, Supras, and 300ZXs were the best that the imports had to offer and were up there in performance pushing 300 hp or more with TT V6s. The Z28 SS was keeping up with them with the 5.7 NA LS1 engine. What did the GT have? Ah, a 4.6 SOHC NPI engine making 225 hp and running a mid to high 14. Lame.

And the Supra NEVER "raped" a Vette. Bone stock the Supra was a low 13. Guess what the LT1 powered Corvette was running. Low 13s. Oh, and what about the mid 90s ZR1 Vette? That was running a 12.9 and the only car that could touch it in the same price range or cheaper was the Viper. So you really have no idea what you're talking about. Supras, 300ZXs, 3000GTs, and even the Skyline (with exception of the R32 or whatever it is called) were not beating GM. They were kicking Ford's ass all over the place but not GM.

Comparing straight line performance of 90's japanese sports cars is kind of a moot point. From personal experience the reason i got a 6th gen was because it reminded me so much of my r32 gtr in terms of handling and chassis dynamics. Which speaks volumes to how good these cars were at the time. But hey, 25 years later, they finally caught up

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I agree. I don't think Ford can get away with building a good engine and putting it in a crappy car anymore. Especially when they brought the price up a considerable amount and when the competition is building such solid vehicles. If the GT is gonna be in the same price range as the Camaro then it's gonna have to perform considerably well and they have to address the issues it has. And at it's price range it can't be a car that the aftermarket has to build up. It's gotta come out the factory very well built.

Well, they're screwed then.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Name one year from 1994 to now (besides 2011-2014) where the Mustang GT was faster than any V8 Camaro of the same year when the Camaro was in production.

And back it up with a link.

let me get this straight...you want me to name one year between 1994 and now that the Mustang was faster except for the years that the Mustang was faster and I also can't use the years there was no Camaro produced?

That is a question retarded Matlock would ask a witness.

The question you should have asked was...Was the Mustang faster than the LS1 F-bodies or during the 16-17 model years. That answer is no.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

let me get this straight...you want me to name one year between 1994 and now that the Mustang was faster except for the years that the Mustang was faster and I also can't use the years there was no Camaro produced?

That is a question retarded Matlock would ask a witness.

The question you should have asked was...Was the Mustang faster than the LS1 F-bodies or during the 16-17 model years. That answer is no.

The point is that the trend is the GT playing catch up since 1993. The Z28 was destroying the outgoing Fox GT. Then 94-95 saw the GT gain weight and keep the same hp which put it even further behind. 96 the GT went to the 2V NPI crap which lost power to the outgoing 5.0 OHV engine and it sunk even further behind. Then the Z28 gained the LS1 engine in 98 while the GT was still with the NPI. So in 99 they updated it to the PI version and it was still behind the Z28 by a large margin. And it stayed behind all the way to 02. It wasn't until 05 that the GT saw 13s with the 3V engine and it was still behind the 98-02 Z28 SS. In 2010 the GT got updated with Bullitt stuff while the Camaro SS came back and completely destroyed it by half a second. When they finally caught up in 2011 they were barely ahead and it was a driver's race. Then in typical Ford fashion they updated the GT in 2015 and it gained weight and got slower. The SS got updated a year later and again destroyed the GT. And now Ford is playing catch up yet again. So in the past 25 years the history of these two cars is the GT being behind by a large margin and struggling to keep up.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

let me get this straight...you want me to name one year between 1994 and now that the Mustang was faster except for the years that the Mustang was faster and I also can't use the years there was no Camaro produced?

That is a question retarded Matlock would ask a witness.

The question you should have asked was...Was the Mustang faster than the LS1 F-bodies or during the 16-17 model years. That answer is no.

The 03-04 Cobra handed the LS1's ass with no problems. The camaro didn't come out with a faster car until the '13 ZL1. 10 years to respond is a long time.

[vtirocz]

Back on topic... MotorTrend posted a black one on Instagram and indicated the Embargo on impressions gets lifted in a week. Not sure if instrumented tests come then or at a later date.

The mustang was a GT with perf pack 1

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The 03-04 Cobra handed the LS1's ass with no problems. The camaro didn't come out with a faster car until the '13 ZL1. 10 years to respond is a long time.

And how fast was the GT in 04? What was the excuse for the GT being a 14 sec car when import NA V6s were in the 13s? What is the excuse for the 05-10 GT being slower than the 02 Z28 SS? During the time that both cars were in production in the past 25 years, which one was faster for the majority of the time?

[crysalis_01]

The GT didn't need to be faster that a lot of cars. It gave those who wanted a RWD v8 coupe an option to have some fun with occasionally. If a buyer wanted a Mustang with more performance in the 4th gen they could have a Bullitt, a Mach1, or a Cobra. With the 5th gens they could have a Bullitt, a BOSS, GT500, etc.

That just seems to be Ford's modus operandi.

Would it have been nice if the likes of Mach1's drivetrain, or the 5.4's the Aussies were using at the time, were the standard in GT's in the 99-04's? Yeah. But they know that they can easily get that special edition money from the enthusiasts.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

The GT didn't need to be faster that a lot of cars. It gave those who wanted a RWD v8 coupe an option to have some fun with occasionally. If a buyer wanted a Mustang with more performance in the 4th gen they could have a Bullitt, a Mach1, or a Cobra. With the 5th gens they could have a Bullitt, a BOSS, GT500, etc.

That just seems to be Ford's modus operandi.

Would it have been nice if the likes of Mach1's drivetrain, or the 5.4's the Aussies were using at the time, were the standard in GT's in the 99-04's? Yeah. But they know that they can easily get that special edition money from the enthusiasts.

Thank you for proving my point. That the GT has been shitty for the majority of the past 25 years compared to other performance cars.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Thank you for proving my point. That the GT has been shitty for the majority of the past 25 years compared to other performance cars.

Indeed it has lagged behind others in performance, but the question then becomes, has that really hindered Ford in moving metal for a profit? Has needing to buy a higher trim vehicle swayed the performance minded buyer more often than not?

Because in the end that's what a car company is out to do. As enthusiasts we can sometimes lose sight of the simple fact that their goal isn't to give us, the enthusiasts, what we want, but give the product that will optimize the making of money. Sometimes those two goals coincide, but not always.