03-05-2014, 08:30 PM | #967 |
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Why are people getting pissed off about a 4 cyl camaro? So ****ing what?? Is GM holding a gun next to your dome and forcing you to buy it?? NO! They won't stop putting v8's in a camaro as long as the GT and R/T exist. Everyone relax.
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03-05-2014, 08:53 PM | #968 | |
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You're suffering from the delusion that every 4 cylinder is an eco engine. They're not. The 2.0T is for the most part, a performance engine first that just happens to be fairly economical as well. And apparently you also believe that the minute GM puts a 4 cylinder into Camaro, it'll be...infected or something and it won't be a good car anymore. Despite the fact that it'll still have a V8 variant. Again. V8s are not going anywhere BECAUSE GM produces 4 and 6 cylinders too. Like I said before, this entire thread is a total overreaction (mostly from one member in particular). If the base 6th gen engine is the 2.0T, WGAS? Don't buy it if you want the available V8. Just know that the 2.0T (just like the V6 right now) is what's helping make the business case for the V8 viable. But if the 2.0T goes into Camaro, I guess you'll be done with the car, so...whatever.
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03-06-2014, 05:02 AM | #969 |
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wow, lots of bs flying! I would kinda understand the bickering if we were talking about exclusive ownership vehicles, not 25 k - 50 k mass produced cars. It is not worth the bickering as GM will do what they think is right or in some cases easiest.
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03-06-2014, 07:54 AM | #971 | |
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Like the Srt8 being around 50 grand at dealers around me when they came out. It seems to me that we have a lot more RWD V8 cars than were available in 10 years ago--- domestic and foreign. I guess they don't count though. It seems to me that performance has had a shot in the arm since retro muscle cars came back on the scene... But I could be mistaken since I don't work for GM or anything. Am I taking crazy pills? Are there not Shelby 660 hp cars? Zl1s, Zr1, AMG, new Jaguars, srt8s in charger challenger and a 300?, v8 wagons, Cadillacs, and Beemers?
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03-06-2014, 09:41 AM | #973 |
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Here is what Al had to say about it
Oppenheiser addressed the possible future demise of V8 engines, saying that, In the future, something I dont think the public realizes yet, there may be a day when nobody, Ford, Chrysler or GM has a V8, or if they do it would be a very highly-priced V8 because youve got to add your whole stable of cars and come up with a fuel economy number. He also added that downsizing the car or the engine too much will stray too far from what the Camaro is all about, and make people question whether the car should continue on. Weve established what the Camaro is. And if the Camaro ceases to become a Camaro, youve got to consider, do you take Camaro out in the future.
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03-06-2014, 09:52 AM | #974 |
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Understand, that I'm not disagreeing with your economic assessment of the ramifications of CAFE.
I just don't like it. I won't buy a 4 banger, and if they price the V8 like the Z-28 or ZL1 I will not buy GM. ( all my POV's have been GM except the Mercedes I had while stationed in Germany in the eighties!)
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There's absolutely no reason to think that if the V8's in GM products are getting expensive, that other manufacturers won't be getting expensive as well. Look at it this way. If Ford still offered a 450+HP V8 mustang for $35K, but for some stupid reason you can't get a V8 Camaro with the same power and performance for under 45 to 50K....which would the vast majority buy? I know you realize this, but what you have to also understand is that GM knows they must stay competitive with other makers, so they are going to offer an alternative at a similar price. In a nutshell, if because of CAFE, GM can't put a standard N/A V8 into a Camaro at a price normal people can afford, then I don't see how Ford or Dodge will be able to either.
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03-06-2014, 11:11 AM | #978 |
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Well, everyone wants to loose 200lbs in the Camaro. That's one way to do it! Lol
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Take a good look at the current v8 offerings. All or most of them are (starting) at or near 40k as is. Its very easy to get even the base SS and Mustang GT over 40k in price with a few options.
Its a sign of the changing climate that the v8s will become a very selective and expensive option for those that will desire it in the years ahead.
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I didn't intend to get in a pissing match with Fen, the reading comprehension cracks just rubbed me the wrong way.
On this entire thread we've talked about the capabilities of the 4 cylinder and the Ramifications of CAFE. Many people have lauded the capabilities of the four cylinder turbo engine as if it's the mightiest, sweetest sounding thing to ever grace an engine bay. I disagree. Others have said we have no choice CAFE will take V8 engines away -- or at least out of reach. I lament this, and agree to the strong possibility. Others have said, why worry, they aren't putting a gun to your head and making you buy the 4 banger. To this I say that Govt regulation that purposely makes V8s go away IS a gun to my head . They will tax and regulate the industry to NUDGE you into buying the cars they want. Then they will remove your choice to do it at all. ( that's why I can't smoke my cigar anywhere including the store where I buy them!) They will eventually get around to making all American cars sporty little 4 banger hatchbacks and ultra expensive luxury and sport cars. Then some politician with a hot button issue will decide that only electric cars should be on the road and that the internal combustion engine should be outlawed for causing global warming or some such. I think ( call me crazy). That if they change these cars to "sporty turbo 4 hatchbacks" that we will lose what makes them unique. fait accompli.
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