[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Good to meet you David, nice ride and fast for sure. If you want a copy of this lemme know

It was good to meet you too Jay. I appreciate the compliments and I'd love to have a copy of that video. Since my PDR didn't start on that run and my boy and nephew didn't get a video as clean as yours, I don't have anything for it. Wish I could've gotten an outside shot of my last run as well, but my nephews phone died and my boys phone ran out of memory. Lol!

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD15

If any of the tires are below 15 PSI it won't come on.

Thanks! Didn't know that. I didn't have any that low, so I'm not sure. Maybe low air does cause it, but that was the first time it's happened to me. I tried it after shutting the car off for a few minutes after the pass and it worked fine, so I was just thinking it was one of those electronic things that just needed a reboot. That's why I tried turning the car off right before the pass. Maybe I didn't leave it off long enough before restarting.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Once you hook a tuner/laptop to a car, it all goes to pot trying to make comparisons. "Oh I only turned off TM" but what we can't see is that 6° of timing was added for 109 race gas that was put in the tank at the house, the shift points are extended 700RPM for 70 more HP, etc.

Its bad enough when they claim they only turned off TM, how about when they deny the above ever took place at all and that the car is 100% stock.

[Speedy1975]

There's all kinds of stuff that goes on when you see people post records. Always fine print and not much surprises me anymore LOL.

Dave, I'll shoot you a link to DL a copy tonight without the watermark and my other junk in the video.

Look forward to heading back to the track with you this fall. My old R/T ran 10.80s and I plan to set the Hellcat up similar with a goal of matching or beating that time. That's the stating point for me.

This is me in the orange car vs my buddy in the black. Mine was a M6 and his an auto and we had similar builds. Great day at the track. The Hellcat is an auto, so should be a lot easier (I hope LOL)

[17CamaroZL1]

Nice runs!! Looks like you were making a little more power than him based on the gain on the big end, but you really beat him out of the hole.

You'll easily beat that with the Hellcat by just hooking it up on the launch. That's why tires will definitely be my first mod. If I can go from a finesse launch, to a wide open one, I should see some good gains. Not sure if a tire alone will make that happen, but I sure want to find out.

I appreciate the video and also look forward to running this fall. I want to check out that Mango Hellcat. That's one of my favorite colors on them.

[Raven87]

Loved seeing that 10.85 run. You can definitely shift a manual.

Nice job!

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Nice runs!! Looks like you were making a little more power than him based on the gain on the big end, but you really beat him out of the hole.

You'll easily beat that with the Hellcat by just hooking it up on the launch. That's why tires will definitely be my first mod. If I can go from a finesse launch, to a wide open one, I should see some good gains. Not sure if a tire alone will make that happen, but I sure want to find out.

I appreciate the video and also look forward to running this fall. I want to check out that Mango Hellcat. That's one of my favorite colors on them.

Thanks, we're gonna have some fun this fall for sure. Yeah my buddy went and did an intake manifold and updated tune after that outing hehe.

Originally Posted by Raven87

Loved seeing that 10.85 run. You can definitely shift a manual.

Nice job!

Thanks, I wish I could say it was easy, but it took a TON of practice, and lots of frustration a long the way. That's one of the reasons I went with the A8 on the Hellcat. Typically the autos would also run 5/10ths faster due to tuning differences with throttle closing on the M6 at shift, timing pull, etc. That was a huge factor in consideration when I went with the A8 in the Hellcat, that and it's just a bad ass trans. Fell in love with it in the Camaro with those hard fast shift at WOT.

[Speedy1975]

I was looking over the time slips Dave. I think it's gonna take a 1.6x 60' to get the 10s. That 1.72 may have gotten it done but it'd be tight. 1.6x would likely do it for sure. We need to get a log of the car to see how that can be achieved.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I was looking over the time slips Dave. I think it's gonna take a 1.6x 60' to get the 10s. That 1.72 may have gotten it done but it'd be tight. 1.6x would likely do it for sure. We need to get a log of the car to see how that can be achieved.

Well, the thing about the deep stage, you lose the running start you get on a more shallow stage, so not only would my 60 have dropped, but I would've trapped an even higher mph too. Probably would've went 128. I went .091 faster between 330 and 1/4 on that last run as is. A 1.76 60' for sure would've at least made my 330' time equal to that first run, probably faster, and I would've been traveling faster than my first run, all the way down the track, so I would've gained more than the .091 that I did. That's why a .1 gained at the start equals .15 to .2 by the finish. So even if we don't multiply and add to the gain, the 1.72 60 would've been .09 faster. Add that to the .091 that the car already ran from 330 on and you get .18, which would've dropped my 11.176 down to 10.995. If we do add the additional .05 to .1 difference you gain on the big end for a .1 faster 60, then you're looking at 10.945 to 10.895. So if I just hadn't deep staged it! DANG!! I'll definitely back up if that ever happens again. Lol!

Of course we don't know for sure that my 60' would've been a 1.72 if I hadn't deep staged. Even though it felt better, doesn't necessarily mean that it was. That's the only way I can find a bit of comfort in my screw up right now. Lol!

Yes! I would love to get a log of the car to see what it tells us.

[grampa_ss]

Bingo!
Deep staging hurts your ET, MPH and 60'.
Deep staging is good to lower your reaction time.
I like to just barely trip the 2nd staging light. Fastest ET that way. Leave on the 3rd yellow.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Well, the thing about the deep stage, you lose the running start you get on a more shallow stage, so not only would my 60 have dropped, but I would've trapped an even higher mph too. Probably would've went 128. I went .091 faster between 330 and 1/4 on that last run as is. A 1.76 60' for sure would've at least made my 330' time equal to that first run, probably faster, and I would've been traveling faster than my first run, all the way down the track, so I would've gained more than the .091 that I did. That's why a .1 gained at the start equals .15 to .2 by the finish. So even if we don't multiply and add to the gain, the 1.72 60 would've been .09 faster. Add that to the .091 that the car already ran from 330 on and you get .18, which would've dropped my 11.176 down to 10.995. If we do add the additional .05 to .1 difference you gain on the big end for a .1 faster 60, then you're looking at 10.945 to 10.895. So if I just hadn't deep staged it! DANG!! I'll definitely back up if that ever happens again. Lol!

Of course we don't know for sure that my 60' would've been a 1.72 if I hadn't deep staged. Even though it felt better, doesn't necessarily mean that it was. That's the only way I can find a bit of comfort in my screw up right now. Lol!

Yes! I would love to get a log of the car to see what it tells us.

I'm on board with the math, makes sense. I think you should try your case with Merc and get him to put you on the ZL1 list as 10.995

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

Bingo!
Deep staging hurts your ET, MPH and 60'.
Deep staging is good to lower your reaction time.
I like to just barely trip the 2nd staging light. Fastest ET that way. Leave on the 3rd yellow.

Agreed.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

Bingo!
Deep staging hurts your ET, MPH and 60'.
Deep staging is good to lower your reaction time.
I like to just barely trip the 2nd staging light. Fastest ET that way. Leave on the 3rd yellow.

Exactly. I let myself get too distracted and accidentally staged deep. I never have understood why someone would purposely deep stage. You can get the same reaction time on paper if you learn to leave soon enough, and you'll run faster while doing it.

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I'm on board with the math, makes sense. I think you should try your case with Merc and get him to put you on the ZL1 list as 10.995

Hahaha!! I'm sure no one would have a problem with that. Lol!

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Well, the thing about the deep stage, you lose the running start you get on a more shallow stage, so not only would my 60 have dropped, but I would've trapped an even higher mph too. Probably would've went 128. I went .091 faster between 330 and 1/4 on that last run as is. A 1.76 60' for sure would've at least made my 330' time equal to that first run, probably faster, and I would've been traveling faster than my first run, all the way down the track, so I would've gained more than the .091 that I did. That's why a .1 gained at the start equals .15 to .2 by the finish. So even if we don't multiply and add to the gain, the 1.72 60 would've been .09 faster. Add that to the .091 that the car already ran from 330 on and you get .18, which would've dropped my 11.176 down to 10.995. If we do add the additional .05 to .1 difference you gain on the big end for a .1 faster 60, then you're looking at 10.945 to 10.895. So if I just hadn't deep staged it! DANG!! I'll definitely back up if that ever happens again. Lol!

Of course we don't know for sure that my 60' would've been a 1.72 if I hadn't deep staged. Even though it felt better, doesn't necessarily mean that it was. That's the only way I can find a bit of comfort in my screw up right now. Lol!

Yes! I would love to get a log of the car to see what it tells us.

Has there been a stock ZL1 that has cracked a sub 1.7 60' yet? I thought that was still the suspected torque management barrier.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Infern0

Has there been a stock ZL1 that has cracked a sub 1.7 60' yet? I thought that was still the suspected torque management barrier.

Not that I know of. The suspected TM barrier was first believed to be 1.8, but that has been disproved many times now, but I haven't seen one any lower than 1.7 yet. I can say that if drag radials increase traction as much as everyone says they do, I could've hit some 1.6s or better, as I've gotten a 1.72 and 1.73 (along with a few other 1.7s) on the stock street tires.