[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

I have been looking at 2020-2022 GT500s online. Like you said, almost all low mile ones are still priced over MSRP. If I get one I would like for it to have the Carbon Fiber Track Package but most of those are mid $90s or higher.
Right now I don't know what I am going to do.

The good news is that the steep premium of a CFTP car has come down significantly. Those cars are selling for barely more than the base models today. The CFTP cars have depreciated far more than the base models over the years.

Having owned a Challenger Hellcat, Charger Hellcat, ZL1 and now a GT500, for your purpose the Challenger and Charger Hellcat are going to be the most confortable without question. The GT500 is quicker than the Hellcats but most certainly rides rougher even though it is more spacious inside than the ZL1.

[jfkheat]

When I sold my ZL1 a dealer that buys cars to resell through Manheim Auctions bought it. I guess it went through the auction last week . It just showed up for sale at one of Rick Hendricks dealerships in Texas. It is overpriced by a few thousand dollars. https://www.bmwofmckinney.com/invent...k1r61p0130387/

[ohsmily]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

This past December I bought a new 2023 Challenger Hellcat. I am a big guy so the ZL1 was not a very comfortable car to ride in, especially on a long trip. The Hellcat is much more comfortable and rides better for me. I still think the Camaro is a better looking car but I chose comfort over looks. I sold the Camaro earlier this week and it was picked up today. I had had it for 14 months but it was time to move on.

Originally Posted by jfkheat

My ZL1 is gone as of last Friday. I loved the car but it wasn't very comfortable for me because of my size. I put 1000 miles on it taking it to Camaro Fest last year and it beat the hell out of me. That is the main reason I bought the Hellcat.

How tall are you that the Camaro was a tough fit?

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by ohsmily

How tall are you that the Camaro was a tough fit?

I suspect it's more of a girth issue. The Recaro bolsters can be snug on someone with >44" coat size.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by ohsmily

How tall are you that the Camaro was a tough fit?

It is a width issue.

[speedyink1]

My good friend has complained when I take him for a ride. He can deal, but they are a bit tight in the hips for some. Not sure how the regular seats are

[NashZL1]

I couldn't decide between the ZL1 and GT500, so I have both. 2022 ZL1 A10 and 2020 GT500. Very similar performance but the Shelby feels like a bigger car, and weighs about 350 pounds more. All things cosidered, and having been to track in both, I prefer the Camaro, but the Shelby is a real attention-getter. The Tremec 7 speed DC transmisiion is incredible in the GT500.



Several friends have Challengers, and they are nice. Great ride, quiet, more room and very nice interiors.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by NashZL1

I couldn't decide between the ZL1 and GT500, so I have both. 2022 ZL1 A10 and 2020 GT500. Very similar performance but the Shelby feels like a bigger car, and weighs about 350 pounds more. All things cosidered, and having been to track in both, I prefer the Camaro, but the Shelby is a real attention-getter. The Tremec 7 speed DC transmisiion is incredible in the GT500.



Several friends have Challengers, and they are nice. Great ride, quiet, more room and very nice interiors.

My thoughts are exactly the same after having owned a Hellcat, ZL1 and GT500. I would have kept the ZL1 along with my GT500 but just couldn't see owning two cars so similar.

[hawk02]

I loved my M6 2017 ZL1 coupe. But in 2022 when Cadillac announced the CT5-V Blackwing that came standard with a manual transmission, I told myself that could be the ONLY car I trade my ZL1 for.

Got lucky last May and found a pre-owned 2023 M6 5BW with the stage 1 & 2 carbon fiber packages, sunroof, performance seat upgrade, PDR, edge red calipers, and red seat belts at a local dealer that sells pre-owned high-performance vehicles.

The Alpha 2 chassis, Global B platform, and 4th Gen mag ride shocks make the 5BW a significant step up from the ZL1.

The 5BW only weighs about 125 lbs more than the ZL1. Even though it has two more doors it doesn't feel any bigger than the ZL1. Visibility is so much better than the Camaro. You don't feel like you're driving in a bunker with the BW.

After almost a year of ownership, I have not once regretted trading my ZL1 for the Cadillac. I know the Corvette folks don't like me saying this, but in my opinion, the 5BW is the best overall performance car GM is currently building.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I loved my M6 2017 ZL1 coupe. But in 2022 when Cadillac announced the CT5-V Blackwing that came standard with a manual transmission, I told myself that could be the ONLY car I trade my ZL1 for.

Got lucky last May and found a pre-owned 2023 M6 5BW with the stage 1 & 2 carbon fiber packages, sunroof, performance seat upgrade, PDR, edge red calipers, and red seat belts at a local dealer that sells pre-owned high-performance vehicles.

The Alpha 2 chassis, Global B platform, and 4th Gen mag ride shocks make the 5BW a significant step up from the ZL1.

The 5BW only weighs about 125 lbs more than the ZL1. Even though it has two more doors it doesn't feel any bigger than the ZL1. Visibility is so much better than the Camaro. You don't feel like you're driving in a bunker with the BW.

After almost a year of ownership, I have not once regretted trading my ZL1 for the Cadillac. I know the Corvette folks don't like me saying this, but in my opinion, the 5BW is the best overall performance car GM is currently building.

The BW has a unique market in that its the only performance 4 door car that GM makes and I think its great what they achieved with that car, a big step up from previous CTS-Vs. That being said, it doesn't come close in performance to the C8 Z06. That is currently the best car GM makes in my opinion until the ZR1 finally shows up.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by jfkheat

It is a width issue.

When my pants get a lil snug I eat better and go for a walk, I don't buy bigger pants....

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The BW has a unique market in that its the only performance 4 door car that GM makes and I think its great what they achieved with that car, a big step up from previous CTS-Vs. That being said, it doesn't come close in performance to the C8 Z06. That is currently the best car GM makes in my opinion until the ZR1 finally shows up.

I used the word "overall" performance car. Yes, I'll give it there are certain things the Z06 is better at than the Cadillac. But in my book, you can't find much fault with a car that has 670 HP, comes standard with a manual transmission, has handfuls of luxury and standard features, and has a base price of around $16,000 cheaper. I won't even get into a discussion of Cadillac versus Chevy dealerships.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I used the word "overall" performance car. Yes, I'll give it there are certain things the Z06 is better at than the Cadillac. But in my book, you can't find much fault with a car that has 670 HP, comes standard with a manual transmission, has handfuls of luxury and standard features, and has a base price of around $16,000 cheaper. I won't even get into a discussion of Cadillac versus Chevy dealerships.

Great testament to the BW. If I was in the market for a 4 door, I would buy one in a heartbeat over a Mercedes or a BMW.

[KingLT1]

Man if Cadillac would have offered a BW 2 door coupe M6, That would have been the perfect car.