03-15-2018, 10:06 AM | #155 | |
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Yeah it's great GM is selling more retail than fleet but sometimes good business is where you find it. I would love to sell to just my small customers because I make more selling to them than distributors but sometimes moving a lot of product at once to a distributor is neccessary. And without knowing what is made per vehicle this conversation is really just tossing partial data around and all guessing. Ford might be making more total profit on the Mustang because of the fleet sales but we don't know all we can do is guess. Either way I can bet you the bean counters weren't happy with the number of vehicles sold for any of the 3 cars EDIT I will say that I do believe GM probably is making more per car than Ford, but we all know Ford isn't losing money on those fleet sales so the total profit in the cars could be the same but we do not know
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03-15-2018, 11:06 AM | #156 |
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You have my curiosity, where can I find retail sale totals for the 3 cars for the year 2018 so far and the complete amount for 2017 on all 3 cars.
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03-15-2018, 11:34 AM | #157 |
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One thing is very clear , the most expensive brand is selling the worst.
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03-15-2018, 12:25 PM | #158 | |
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New engines/transmissions/trim levels does not make it a redesigned vehicle when it's still riding on the same chassis from 2005/08 (LX/LC). It is the same dinosaur from 2008, your delusional if you think otherwise.
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03-15-2018, 12:34 PM | #159 | |
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I know you get it... Just using your post to emphasize the point
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03-15-2018, 12:39 PM | #160 | |
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no wonder companies like ford and dodge can get away with the 'the new 1998 mustang "or the "new 2012 challenger' with people out there that will believe it |
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03-15-2018, 01:10 PM | #161 |
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The Camaro is a bad rental car, but a good personal car. No surprises here.
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03-15-2018, 01:33 PM | #162 |
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the 6th gen issues are pretty simple. Too small, too expensive for a decent performance trim and the appearance is bland. I hope GM does better with the 7th gen, if they do it at all.
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03-15-2018, 01:44 PM | #163 |
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Was February fleet dump month for Mustang and Challenger? Is Mustang doing great given the enhancements it just got?
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03-15-2018, 03:12 PM | #166 |
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Just remember that GM is on the record as stating they were not pursuing fleet sales with the Camaro. That was stated very early on in the 2016 redesign cycle. 4% of sales would seem to indicate that, indeed, this is their business model. Higher profit margins per unit and perhaps less warranty work (I have to believe that rental sales have higher warranty claims than individual sales).
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03-15-2018, 03:57 PM | #167 | |
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When you expand out to Canada/Europe/Asia, the contrast is much more weighed in favor of Mustang sales. Globally Mustang is crushing it. If you don't think that is a factor in either Ford's or GM's plans, you may wish to re-assess that position. In fact, 1 in 4 Mustangs made are sent to China, Germany, or England. It currently outsells 911's in Germany. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...fans/32900779/ The fact that GM had well over 100 days of inventory sitting on lots for most of 2017, does not bode well in terms of them meeting production vs. sales metrics. |
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03-15-2018, 05:57 PM | #168 |
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The dealership experience leaves much to be desired as well. GM dealers are actually worse now, compared to when I was in the market for a GTO. I have no experience with dodge or Ford dealerships, are they similar?
Infiniti is much better. Even BMW, my initial experience was pretty good. My recent experiences with Hyundai on recalls has been superb as well. GM dealers in South Florida...... I dunno |
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