[Sol4rfl4re]

Mustang sales have dropped because of the 2018 mustang, people choose to hold out. Happens every time a new model is coming out.

[BlaqWhole]

Not quite true. At least not this time around. Challenger sales have gone up by quite a bit ever since the news of the Demon. And Camaro sales have gone up by a lot too once they started offering discounts from switching from a Mustang to a Camaro. And a lot of people in the market for higher hp and better performing cars are switching over to Camaros, Corvettes, and Challengers since there is no news of the GT500 yet and since GT350R prices are astronomical and the non-R is lacking in performance. Some of it IS due to people holding out for the 18s. But I wouldn't say a majority especially when the competition is seeing increases and have been for a while.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If MT or any of the other mags do a comparison soon then I hope they keep their subjective comments out of it. I don't care if their sound guy who nobody knows or cares about thinks a GT sounds better. I would like to see them base their testing off of the performance aspects. If they wanna add in that they feel the Camaro was this or that the GT was that then they can leave it as a footnote. But these are Muscle cars should be tested on performance.

There will be a first test very soon. That will tell us just about everything we want to know.

[Sol4rfl4re]

They are also using a dual mass flywheel on the 2018.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Mustang sales have dropped because of the 2018 mustang, people choose to hold out. Happens every time a new model is coming out.

I don't think this has much to do with it, but we'll find out sooner than later I guess. I'm sure it contributes, but I don't think it's a huge percentage.

[wnta1ss]

Ford fans are not necessarily waiting for 2018s to come out. Was talking recently to a Ford guy and he bought a new Mustang GT with the A6. He used to have an ecoboost Mustang that was played with. The new car only had 1200 miles on it in late September so I'd have to consider that a very recent purchase.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Ford fans are not necessarily waiting for 2018s to come out. Was talking recently to a Ford guy and he bought a new Mustang GT with the A6. He used to have an ecoboost Mustang that was played with. The new car only had 1200 miles on it in late September so I'd have to consider that a very recent purchase.

If I were looking for a new Mustang I would be waiting on the 18. At least until the tests come out to see how it stacks up.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

If I were looking for a new Mustang I would be waiting on the 18. At least until the tests come out to see how it stacks up.

Of course they are, now whether they go for it or buy a heavily discounted 17 is another thing once the 18 is out. Mustang fans remember all too well what happened in 2010.

[ULTRAZLS1]

yeah the car gained 100 hp and an entirely new engine.

It is gaining 25 this time

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

If I were looking for a new Mustang I would be waiting on the 18. At least until the tests come out to see how it stacks up.

I think the Mustang has lost it's sales advantage now that the hype is over. I don't think the 18 is gonna see a spike like the 15s did. Plus like I said, Challenger sales have gone up and Camaro sales have as well. I could agree about the 18s causing low sales if the competition wasn't seeing increases. But since they are it kinda makes me think that people who cross-shop these cars are starting to lose their interest. We'll know for sure soon. But I think the Mustang won't be selling like they did back in 14 when the S550 first hit the streets.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

yeah the car gained 100 hp and an entirely new engine.

It is gaining 25 this time

...and a heftier price tag this time around.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Here is US annual sales history for the Mustang. I see no historical evidence of a huge sales increase due to a refresh. It may go up a little or keep it from going further down in sales, but I don't think it'll be a huge uptick.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Here is US annual sales history for the Mustang. I see no historical evidence of a huge sales increase due to a refresh. It may go up a little or keep it from going further down in sales, but I don't think it'll be a huge uptick.

It clearly visible there for 2005 and 2015. The problem with 2011 is the huge debut of the camaro along with the transformers movies kinda kept those numbers down. But there are people selling their 15-17 on the forums to try to get into the "latest and greatest". I don't foresee a huge jump but I see the digital dash, magnaride and active exhaust tickling the butts of a lot of fanboys

To the person above that says camaro and challengers sales are up....Evidence shows both vehicles would have to outdo last years oct/nov/dec sales in order to just break even with 2016 numbers, the camaro needing to sell more.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

To the person above that says camaro and challengers sales are up....

Let's not act like 3rd graders. Either address my comment like a man or don't address me at all. We're not children or divas on a reality show...well you might be.

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

It clearly visible there for 2005 and 2015. The problem with 2011 is the huge debut of the camaro along with the transformers movies kinda kept those numbers down. But there are people selling their 15-17 on the forums to try to get into the "latest and greatest". I don't foresee a huge jump but I see the digital dash, magnaride and active exhaust tickling the butts of a lot of fanboys

To the person above that says camaro and challengers sales are up....Evidence shows both vehicles would have to outdo last years oct/nov/dec sales in order to just break even with 2016 numbers, the camaro needing to sell more.

I know you're a fanboy who will have a retort for anything said that isn't in favor of the Mustang. So I say this with little expectation that you'll actually be reasonable for once. I'm not talking about last year sales or what they would have to do to match numbers from last year. It has been reported that Challenger sales have gone up ever since Dodge announced the Demon. And rightly so since Dodge aggressively marketed the Demon. It would only be reasonable that attention would be drawn to the brand. Plus well before the 18 was announced the Camaro had overtaken the Mustang in sales and the Challenger started to creep up. Mustang sales went down slightly and while it is partially due to the 18, it is also due to the lack of performance and the competition stepping their game up. But I mean, how could it be possible that the Mustang took a dip in sales? Right? It has to be ONLY because the 18 is coming out and everyone will be buying them up. That must be the only logical explanation...SMH.

[BlaqWhole]

Another thing I noticed around the web is that a lot of people who were holding out for the 18 saw it when it was finally released and didn't like how it looked. So they went to the competition. Plus if you ask me, Ford took a little bit too long announcing the HP/TQ figures. Dodge released info on the Trackhawk way back earlier this year. And they announced the Demon a long time ago too. Yet Ford dragged it out and played silly little games with pictures of the dash and "Easter eggs" making people guess the output instead of just coming out and saying "hey guys it'll have 460 hp". I remember a lot of people lost interest waiting around and went elsewhere. Plus loss of sales due to people not wanting to pay ADM and exorbitant prices for the Shelby. GM and Dodge both started paying attention and then took advantage of all this and it is paying off for them.