[TJay74]

Originally Posted by hashtag

I was watching a review from the lead engineer & he emphasized that the ZL1 1LE is not a Dailey driver. I was not aware that the shocks are not magnetic dampers. They are a Second generation of the Z28 Shocks.

Over the years I have read reviews of vehicles where the reviewer said the ride was too harsh and ect. Then I ride in said vehicle and am expecting the harsh ride and end up asking where is the harsh ride they spoke about at?

NVH is very subjective from one person to the next, what one person considers harsh and non-compliant and not something they will deal with on a say to day basis the other person may love.

Example, my boss has a 5th gen V-6 Camaro. When I told her I was buying a new Camaro she went on to say she loved it but couldn't daily drive it as it rides to harsh and is brutal on long drives, yet it is a V6 model with the 18" wheels and barely ever gets out of the garage with less than 5k miles on it in 3 years. Here I am now with a Camaro SS 1LE that I daily drive for the most part in either Sport or Track mode and yet I think it is still one of the most compliant suspensions out there and am amazed at how well the car rides for being on super low profile 20" wheels/tires along with an aggressive MRC system.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by TJay74

Over the years I have read reviews of vehicles where the reviewer said the ride was too harsh and ect. Then I ride in said vehicle and am expecting the harsh ride and end up asking where is the harsh ride they spoke about at?

NVH is very subjective from one person to the next, what one person considers harsh and non-compliant and not something they will deal with on a say to day basis the other person may love.

Example, my boss has a 5th gen V-6 Camaro. When I told her I was buying a new Camaro she went on to say she loved it but couldn't daily drive it as it rides to harsh and is brutal on long drives, yet it is a V6 model with the 18" wheels and barely ever gets out of the garage with less than 5k miles on it in 3 years. Here I am now with a Camaro SS 1LE that I daily drive for the most part in either Sport or Track mode and yet I think it is still one of the most compliant suspensions out there and am amazed at how well the car rides for being on super low profile 20" wheels/tires along with an aggressive MRC system.

This is true.

However...have you ridden/driven in a Z/28 with the DSSV dampers?

The car is far more stiff than the SS 1LE, ZL1 (each in track/sport mode). And this new ZL1 1LE is going to be as stiff, or more than that. The Camaro Team doesn't want any dissatisfied customers...so they are trying to make as clear as day that the ZL1 1LE is a very, very stiff ride, and unless you're the type of track/sports car enthusiast who understands that...it will not be a pleasant ride.

[Dwille]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

This is true.

However...have you ridden/driven in a Z/28 with the DSSV dampers?

The car is far more stiff than the SS 1LE, ZL1 (each in track/sport mode). And this new ZL1 1LE is going to be as stiff, or more than that. The Camaro Team doesn't want any dissatisfied customers...so they are trying to make as clear as day that the ZL1 1LE is a very, very stiff ride, and unless you're the type of track/sports car enthusiast who understands that...it will not be a pleasant ride.

Mr. Wyndham is wise. I have a 2014 1LE which now has the Z/28 DSSV dampers/springs. There is no comparison in terms of ride quality. The Gen5 1LE suspension was a pretty good compromise between comfort and performance. Not as nice as the Gen6 mag ride 1LE. But pretty nice. The Z/28 is much rougher, especially over small jiggles. Once you get past the initial force to move the dampers it is relatively subtle. I daily drive the car, in fact I drive it all over the country for track events, autox etc. It's not super unpleasant, but it is rougher than most folks will want to deal with.

Given the DSSV on the Gen6 ZL1 1LE and the hard mounted suspension, I suspect it will be similar to the gen5 Z/28 experience. Good for GM to warn folks. I hope to be able to give a first hand ride review sometime later this year!

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

This is true.

However...have you ridden/driven in a Z/28 with the DSSV dampers?

The car is far more stiff than the SS 1LE, ZL1 (each in track/sport mode). And this new ZL1 1LE is going to be as stiff, or more than that. The Camaro Team doesn't want any dissatisfied customers...so they are trying to make as clear as day that the ZL1 1LE is a very, very stiff ride, and unless you're the type of track/sports car enthusiast who understands that...it will not be a pleasant ride.

I have it have, and don't mind it at all. LOL

Originally Posted by Dwille

Mr. Wyndham is wise. I have a 2014 1LE which now has the Z/28 DSSV dampers/springs. There is no comparison in terms of ride quality. The Gen5 1LE suspension was a pretty good compromise between comfort and performance. Not as nice as the Gen6 mag ride 1LE. But pretty nice. The Z/28 is much rougher, especially over small jiggles. Once you get past the initial force to move the dampers it is relatively subtle. I daily drive the car, in fact I drive it all over the country for track events, autox etc. It's not super unpleasant, but it is rougher than most folks will want to deal with.

Given the DSSV on the Gen6 ZL1 1LE and the hard mounted suspension, I suspect it will be similar to the gen5 Z/28 experience. Good for GM to warn folks. I hope to be able to give a first hand ride review sometime later this year!

Ones more thing to keep in mind, the roads you have when you drive the car, where we are at there good roads, if you live in a big city and there not in good shape, well you will hate the ride.

[TJay74]

I have yet to be in a Gen5 Z/28, I tried but the dealer wouldn't let us drive it thinking we were not serious buyers. I did own a 4th gen though that had a fully worked over suspension with fully adjustable Koni struts/shocks on it. So I do get what you are saying on the ride quality.

With that though, it is what bugs me at times. People that buy a "sportier" vehicle and then complain about the ride quality. It is the whole reason that the NVH teams that GM has now have a tough job in pleasing everyone. Case in point, my 2016 GMC Sierra crew cab with the 6.2/6L80 setup. Things has gobs of power, more than once it has embarrassed another drive thinking it cant get out of its own way. The powertrain engineers though have the transmission programmed though so that it shifts so soft, my only guess is that so the large demographic of owners don't complaint about a harsh down/up shift.

Ford finally listened to their owners, in 2015 they offered "sport" mode even in their 1500 trucks. I just wish GM would do the same thing and quit neutering all of the vehicles as badly as they do, it really detracts from what potentially could be a great vehicle most of the time.

[Dwille]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I have it have, and don't mind it at all. LOL



Ones more thing to keep in mind, the roads you have when you drive the car, where we are at there good roads, if you live in a big city and there not in good shape, well you will hate the ride.

This is so true. On a recent trip back from Sebring I was beginning to think "Hey the car really rides well. This is awesome". Then I hit Houston side streets. Yikes!

[Bow Tie Affair]

Originally Posted by Dwille

This is so true. On a recent trip back from Sebring I was beginning to think "Hey the car really rides well. This is awesome". Then I hit Houston side streets. Yikes!

LOL............Yikes is too nice of a word!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I have it have, and don't mind it at all. LOL

Ones more thing to keep in mind, the roads you have when you drive the car, where we are at there good roads, if you live in a big city and there not in good shape, well you will hate the ride.

A very good point, too!

I have the DSSV setup on my 1LE, like someone mentioned earlier. And on nice roads, even nice roads with some dips and small holes...it's genuinely not bad at all. The control and precision the suspension setup offers makes it an incredibly pleasurable car to drive even at 35!! (Though...its MORE pleasurable at higher speeds. )

But I drive a mix of city and rural streets....I discovered about 6 months into daily driving the car...that when I drive through the city, I am 1000% more aware of potholes, manhole covers, and other imperfections in the surface of the road, and when I can't swerve to avoid one (or many)...I ride the car like a horse (straight up posture, and pull my torso away from the seat). All subconscious.

I also can't press buttons on the MyLink screen without bracing my hand against the dash while on non-perfect roads.

And driveway lips (anything bigger than .5") feel like driving off a cliff.

Originally Posted by TJay74

With that though, it is what bugs me at times. People that buy a "sportier" vehicle and then complain about the ride quality. It is the whole reason that the NVH teams that GM has now have a tough job in pleasing everyone. Case in point, my 2016 GMC Sierra crew cab with the 6.2/6L80 setup. Things has gobs of power, more than once it has embarrassed another drive thinking it cant get out of its own way. The powertrain engineers though have the transmission programmed though so that it shifts so soft, my only guess is that so the large demographic of owners don't complaint about a harsh down/up shift.

Two interesting points there...

#1 is the people who buy these cars and then complain. It still happens with SS and 1LE models from time to time where buyers expect it to come with all-season tires, and complain it doesn't. Or when the Gen 5 1LE came out, and folks squawked about how rough it was to drive....couldn't believe it was so harsh and uncomfortable....it became quickly apparent that those people bought it for the black wheels and black hood, with no interest in the performance benefits. So, I think it's that crowd that the Camaro people are trying to politely dissuade from buying ZL1 1LEs.

#2 is the NVH thought. When they developed the 5th gen ZL1, I remember Al commenting that he had to fight the NVH people to get the car to bark and crackle, and use stiffer chassis bushings to constrain the suspension.

It would seem...that as soon as they "let" him do that to the ZL1, the floodgates opened, and here we are.

Originally Posted by Dwille

This is so true. On a recent trip back from Sebring I was beginning to think "Hey the car really rides well. This is awesome". Then I hit Houston side streets. Yikes!

Originally Posted by Bow Tie Affair

LOL............Yikes is too nice of a word!

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Dwille

This is so true. On a recent trip back from Sebring I was beginning to think "Hey the car really rides well. This is awesome". Then I hit Houston side streets. Yikes!

Lol I was out in Dallas 4 week's ago, and they where working on the streets, and was that bad, and we where in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD, LOL.

[mlee]

Houston streets aren't that bad...

[tnspd]

I am not really worried about the hard ride. I think it will be a blast. Back in the day I had a 1967 Chevelle 396 with air shocks on dirt roads in Kansas. This should be no problem. LOL

[tnspd]

Anyone get any word back if their order got picked up today?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by tnspd

Anyone get any word back if their order got picked up today?

Just got off the horn with Tom...there is 0 availability for A1Z (ZL1 1LE) cars at the moment. So...no.

[tnspd]

Today was the day correct? Maybe it changed?