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Old 01-13-2017, 07:17 AM   #169
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Ted, would your rough idle blower cam be ok to run in a NA car until such time that forced induction is added. How much would it lose/gain in that NA setup.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:25 AM   #170
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Ted, would your rough idle blower cam be ok to run in a NA car until such time that forced induction is added. How much would it lose/gain in that NA setup.
Absolutely we do this quite often.

I would expect 50 RWHP gain over the stock cam N/A.

I am currently at 110 RWHP over the stock cam with boost.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:38 AM   #171
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Absolutely we do this quite often.

I would expect 50 RWHP gain over the stock cam N/A.

I am currently at 110 RWHP over the stock cam with boost.
Great to hear. Is there a noticeable lope or chop to that cam? Happen to have any videos of it at idle?
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:31 PM   #173
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Sounds amazing! What exhaust setup on that car?
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Sounds amazing! What exhaust setup on that car?
ARH 1 7/8 LT headers with Intermediate system back to the stock NPP muffler.

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Old 01-14-2017, 05:42 AM   #175
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How's the driveability?
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Fantastic, So Smooth
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Old 01-15-2017, 01:10 PM   #177
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lol I set myself up for that answer.

Let me ask these questions as I know drivability can be effected by modifications, tune & drivetrain

1. how much overlap is in the cam?

2. Fuel lobe increase?

3. Your car with the cam installed A8 or M6

4. Tuning support if purchased through you?

5. dyno graph before / after cam
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Old 01-15-2017, 01:24 PM   #178
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Would a Whipple be overkill if I'm not planning on doing a whole lot of engine mods?
By no means the whipple moves more air and I disagree with ted that 8psi is 8psi no matter how you get it.. its not the psi but how much air you are moving and the temp it enters or the term efficiency is used in this case.

If you were to bolt on a whipple 2.9 vs 2.3 from maggie or edlebrock and all 3 register 8psi I have no doubt that since the whipple moves more air the HP number would be more.

So If I wasn't doing other upgrades I would get a blower that moves more air if I was going all out I would do the agp kit or custom turbo kit from a speed shop that done many of these builds.. but I like the PD blowers driving characteristics the best... my opinion of course.
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By no means the whipple moves more air and I disagree with ted that 8psi is 8psi no matter how you get it.. its not the psi but how much air you are moving and the temp it enters or the term efficiency is used in this case.

If you were to bolt on a whipple 2.9 vs 2.3 from maggie or edlebrock and all 3 register 8psi I have no doubt that since the whipple moves more air the HP number would be more.

So If I wasn't doing other upgrades I would get a blower that moves more air if I was going all out I would do the agp kit or custom turbo kit from a speed shop that done many of these builds.. but I like the PD blowers driving characteristics the best... my opinion of course.
Interesting. I think I'll avoid this debate as I don't feel knowledgeable enough but standard reasoning would agree.

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Old 01-16-2017, 09:11 AM   #180
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By no means the whipple moves more air and I disagree with ted that 8psi is 8psi no matter how you get it.. its not the psi but how much air you are moving and the temp it enters or the term efficiency is used in this case.

If you were to bolt on a whipple 2.9 vs 2.3 from maggie or edlebrock and all 3 register 8psi I have no doubt that since the whipple moves more air the HP number would be more.

So If I wasn't doing other upgrades I would get a blower that moves more air if I was going all out I would do the agp kit or custom turbo kit from a speed shop that done many of these builds.. but I like the PD blowers driving characteristics the best... my opinion of course.
Air Density is the Single contributor to power No questioning this.

But at 8 PSI from all the Current blowers we have tested are Very Very Close Peak power almost indiscernible in this application.

We see slight differences in the Boost curves which affects the torque curve directly from brand to brand.

Since 8 PSI is right in the middle of the efficiency of almost all of the offerings on the market, This is where I get the 8PSI is 8PSI.

It is not until you get closer to the limits of the blowers that we start to see where one is better than the other.

This is simple a Fit issue, Goal VS Size.

If your goal were 15 psi Bigger is Better obviously.

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Old 01-16-2017, 09:18 AM   #181
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lol I set myself up for that answer.

Let me ask these questions as I know drivability can be effected by modifications, tune & drivetrain

1. how much overlap is in the cam?

That will depend on your power goals and if you want smooth or rough Idle

2. Fuel lobe increase?

Yes 32%

3. Your car with the cam installed A8 or M6

M6

4. Tuning support if purchased through you?

Absolutely

5. dyno graph before / after cam
Same blower same headers same pulley, Cam change only back to back testing, I will have to get that for you and I will post it.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:33 AM   #182
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Ted, on your 700rwhp post, it states that 11.5is the the upper end for 93 pump gas. With that being said, would it be the same on a procharger and is the stock fuel system enough to handle that boost. If so, do you know what the power numbers be on the SS with a procharged 6.2 with 11 or so pounds of boost. Just looking to get pushed past a hellcat.
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